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USAGunner
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Post #46
Monday December 21, 2015 7:56pm

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Original post from Dave

While Beckerman "has shown he can put in a good performance" he has also shown that he is capable of stinking up the place as well. Add to the fact that Beckerman is now 33 yrs old and will be 36 by the time the 2018 WC rolls around. There comes a time when a team has to move on from a player....and that time has come for Beckerman, Gordon, Rimando, Wondoloski, and Davis.
I'm not saying that Danny Williams is the answer to replace Beckerman, but Williams, Morales, & Kitchen are likely the closest we've got at the moment.


Oh no doubt moving forward from here, I'm fully on board. I was talking about last years matches.

Yes Beckerman has shown he is capable of stinking up the place. No doubt.
But so far I'd say Beckerman is 10-90-10. 10% really good games, 90% decent games, 10% bad games.
Williams so far is 10-50-50. For a big game, I'll take Beckerman last year. Moving forward, Beckerman absolutely should be fazed out.
Moving forward it should be Williams, Kitchen, Morales, Trapp, etc. See who is ready.

As far as Danny Williams scoring. That's nice, but Chandler has scored like that too. Scoring is all nice and good, but if you are a defensive player and you suck on that end, but score an occasional goal...it's not worth it to me.
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MSantoine
Post #47
Wednesday December 23, 2015 1:13pm

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Original post from USAGunner

As far as Danny Williams scoring. That's nice, but Chandler has scored like that too. Scoring is all nice and good, but if you are a defensive player and you suck on that end, but score an occasional goal...it's not worth it to me.


Thats not entirely true. Having a defensive player that is dangerous getting forward adds a lot even if they arent scoring. For instance when Yedlin is at RB for USA we've seen other teams keep a midfielder shaded over there for if/when he makes his runs. When a guy like Ream/Evans/Orozco is at fullback, the other team knows they aren't making the types of runs that become dangerous in a hurry, so they can either press up that side more, or shade their defense to the opposite side. Same as having a defensive midfielder with a cannon. When Jones plays the CDM role, for all his faults he gets some great looks and had that amazing WC goal. Having a guy with that in his back pocket is a huge advantage.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #48
Wednesday December 23, 2015 2:13pm

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With our defensive liabilities it is absolutely true. Our defense has shown they are pretty awful (even when playing good) when they are left on islands and we press forward to much. Particularly against good teams (See Belgium).

Danny Williams, Beckerman, Bradley, Morales, etc they can get forward, but they aren't scaring the good teams at all. They will see that, see the advantage they would have in their attacking third and go crazy (just like Belgium did).

Right now we just don't have the individual talent and ability to afford the luxury of having a defensive/holding midfielder press forward too much.
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MSantoine
Post #49
Wednesday December 23, 2015 5:50pm

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Original post from USAGunner

With our defensive liabilities it is absolutely true. Our defense has shown they are pretty awful (even when playing good) when they are left on islands and we press forward to much. Particularly against good teams (See Belgium).

Danny Williams, Beckerman, Bradley, Morales, etc they can get forward, but they aren't scaring the good teams at all. They will see that, see the advantage they would have in their attacking third and go crazy (just like Belgium did).

Right now we just don't have the individual talent and ability to afford the luxury of having a defensive/holding midfielder press forward too much.


Yes and no. Against top world class teams (Argentina/Brazil/Germany/Belgium/Spain...) then I agree completely. Against teams like Jamaica, Panama, T&T I disagree. Part of the reason those teams gave us a game was because they knew we were essentially playing 5 in the back, with no width. They knew they could take chances because worst case scenario other than a long ball to Zardes if we got possession it was kick sideways until Bradley comes back to get it. That forces these weaker teams to be more aggressive. We shouldnt allow that. We should have the foot on the gas gainst those carribean and lower level central american teams.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #50
Wednesday December 23, 2015 8:51pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Yes and no. Against top world class teams (Argentina/Brazil/Germany/Belgium/Spain...) then I agree completely. Against teams like Jamaica, Panama, T&T I disagree. Part of the reason those teams gave us a game was because they knew we were essentially playing 5 in the back, with no width. They knew they could take chances because worst case scenario other than a long ball to Zardes if we got possession it was kick sideways until Bradley comes back to get it. That forces these weaker teams to be more aggressive. We shouldnt allow that. We should have the foot on the gas gainst those carribean and lower level central american teams.


"Particularly against the good teams"

So we agree (Guess you missed that part of my comment).

Sure getting forward for a DM against the Concacaf Minnows is fine and won't be a liability (at least on the same level, IE where it kills us), but still need the DM to track back and be solid in defense for when those teams (particularly Jamaica) hit us on the counter attack.

On another note I'd rather have a DM that sits back and plays defense well and is bad going forward (to the extent where he doesn't really even try), then I would having a DM that is good going forward, and is bad in the defensive half.

So far that has been the choice of Beckerman and Danny Williams. I hope (and I think he can) Danny Williams improves his defensive/hold up/link play with the USMNT and on the international level. If he can do that, then it looks a lot better for us.

For 2018 if we can get Fabian, Bradley, Nagbe, Williams, and Bedoya playing well together, then we will be sitting pretty in the midfield.

Really with the type of Wingers we have a 4 man Midfield with 2 Forwards up top is best. It'd be best if we can get all 5 of those guys on the field (4-2-3-1) with Danny and Bradley in the back, and Nagbe as the CAM, but that would force Bedoya and FabJo to play higher up field than they really should be (they are both better as wide Midfielders, than as wide attacking midfielders). It would be interesting to see who starts in the central midfield. If we went to a flat 4-4-2 (or even a diamond). I would imagine Nagbe would be the creative force and either Bradley and Williams starting next to him.

Playing a 4-4-2 with those guys would also enable us to play Woods and Morris together up top, although a combo of Jozy with 1 of those 2 would look good. Depending on who progresses and is in form in 2018.

I think we are set up good for 2018 provided the players actually progress and are in good form.

We'll have (if the progress like they can/should) the versatility to play a 5-3-2, 4-4-2 (Flat or Diamond), 4-2-3-1, or 4-3-3. Which would be great in the group stage.

5-3-2:
Yedlin - Cameron - Brooks - Ream - Fab Jo
Bradley - Nagbe - Williams
Jozy - Morris/Wood

4-4-2 (flat):
Yedlin - Cameron - Brooks - Ream
Bedoya - Bradley - Williams - Fab Jo
Jozy - Morris/Wood

4-4-2 (Diamond):
Yedlin - Cameron - Brooks - Ream
Bradley/Williams
Bedoya - FabJo
Nagbe
Jozy - Morris/Wood

4-2-3-1:
Yedlin - Cameron - Brooks - Ream
Bradley - Williams
Bedoya/Zardes - Nagbe - FabJo
Jozy

4-3-3:
Yedlin - Cameron - Brooks - Ream
Bedoya - Bradley - Fab Jo
Morris - Jozy - Wood

You still have Besler, Zardes, Miazga, Green, Shea, Alvarado, Morales, Chandler, Kitchen, Gil, Wooten, ArJo, Agudelo, Rubin, Zelalem, Hyndman, and more who could factor into it as well.
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EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #51
Wednesday January 13, 2016 4:57pm

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He's been so crucial to Reading. It's really amazing especially after Hoffenheim just letting him go.

I could absolutely see him going to a mid table EPL team like an Everton, West Brom, or Watford if Reading don't get promoted. They're currently 12th in the Championship.

dunlopp9987
Post #52
Saturday January 30, 2016 5:49pm

Joined Mar 2013
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D-Will scores again, this time in the FA Cup.

I doubt Reading gain promotion, so hopefully someone in the EPL has noticed him and tried to snap him up in the summer.
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Dave
Post #53
Sunday January 31, 2016 11:11am

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from dunlopp9987

D-Will scores again, this time in the FA Cup.

I doubt Reading gain promotion, so hopefully someone in the EPL has noticed him and tried to snap him up in the summer.


Williams has been playing well, but it may take more to attract EPL attention. He's had some injuries the past year or two so clubs may want to see him play and stay healthy for longer than this one year.

dunlopp9987
Post #54
Sunday January 31, 2016 3:42pm

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Original post from Dave

Williams has been playing well, but it may take more to attract EPL attention. He's had some injuries the past year or two so clubs may want to see him play and stay healthy for longer than this one year.


Oh yeah. If he were to move to an EPL side, I think a bench spot on a mid-table team is likely to be where he would end up.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #55
Tuesday February 2, 2016 1:07am

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Swansea is trying to buy Danny from Reading. Reading is playing hardball. Don't know if the move will happen.

dunlopp9987
Post #56
Tuesday February 2, 2016 1:10am

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Original post from 2tone

Swansea is trying to buy Danny from Reading. Reading is playing hardball. Don't know if the move will happen.


For the summer? Cause this window has slammed shut.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #57
Tuesday February 2, 2016 2:10am

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Original post from dunlopp9987

For the summer? Cause this window has slammed shut.


Yeah it didn't go through before the window closed. Swansea was trying to sign him.

chillguy1992
Post #58
Tuesday February 2, 2016 7:19am

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Tough break for Williams Swansea had got rid of shelvey and with a 32 year old Britton who hasnt had the best season there might been an opportunity to end up as a starter. Williams hopefully can be sold in summer to Swansea as he would have a great chance of starting over Britton.

Dave
Post #59
Wednesday February 3, 2016 12:09am

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Summer may be hard for him to get integrated into a new team considering the probability that he'll be part of the US Team during the Copa. If he is with the US he won't have much of a pre-season in which to build chemistry with a new club.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #60
Monday February 22, 2016 8:29pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 569
I watched the Reading V west Brom FA Cup match over the weekend, (great game btw), but didn't see Danny and he wasn't on the bench. I'm assuming he's injured? Anyone know the status on this or what his injury may be?

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