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blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #16
Wednesday June 12, 2013 9:15pm

Joined Sep 2012
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I honestly dont see us going too far in the world cup with these current players.

US will have to hope we get: Johannsson, Brooks, Parker by WC

We also need to have a creative type player on radar in the next year.

JaLa
Qingdao
Post #17
Wednesday June 12, 2013 9:15pm

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 4
It matters if you care about results or the process.

navi8132
Post #18
Wednesday June 12, 2013 9:18pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,890
The talent is better with Jurgen, it's clear they COULD have done better (and started to play better) prior to these last 3 games.

MSantoine
Post #19
Wednesday June 12, 2013 9:19pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,051
Original post from Mojofc

It's too simple to say 'we won the game by attacking, thus we were right all along and JK was wrong'.

We tried Shea on the left, and by all means, he is more 'offensive' than F Johnson. F Johnson was a solid passer last night, but wasn't much of a winger aside from the assist, tracking back well, and moving to the middle to allow DMB to pass him. He played more like a Zusi aside from being able to cross the ball well.

Zusi again isn't an 'offensive' player, he's a good passer and can put in a good cross.

Cameron is not an offensive player, what JK did decide though was to keep Cam back and allow MB more ability to move forward knowing Cam would stay in his place. MB had a tremendous game last night, yet against Jamaica he wasn't his usual self, that's form for you.. Technically a Kljestan and MB combo would have been more 'offensive'.

Zusi is growing into a national team player, the experience JK has allowed him to get lately has helped him. Most coaches would have brought back in LD and we would not have seen Zusis crosses to Jozy or EJ's goal last night against Panama.

Who would have played EJ on the wing the way JK has been doing? Probably not 99% of us until we saw it worked to some degree.

I don't think he's done all wrong and I don't think 'wins because we scored goals' means we played more attack minded football. We played a Panamanian team we expected to beat. A German team that seemed a bit uninspired and a Jamaican team who has been rather poor lately. This is what allowed us to be more offensive, along with the motivational boost we received from beating Germany.

I'm not even really fully a defender of JK, because I don't think he's all good. He is wrong at times... but so is every manager unless you coached Bayern this season.

Did any of that make sense? I need to stop posting..


Its not about the goals scored (which are up) or the wins. But again its the style. The last 3 games we took 14 shots on goals combined. The previous 4 games we took 5. Yes Mexico, Belgium, CR, Honduras is better than Panama, Jamaica, & Germany B squad. But go back to the end of 2012, when the calls for change started. Against Jamaica twice & A&B, worse than our previous 3 games we got 8 shots on goal total. The only player who wasnt available was Fabian. Everyone else JK chose not to play or played in wrong positions. You say how many of us would have played EJ on the wing. That was our exact point. It didnt matter what he changed to just that he had to change. he finally did and it was successful. It took him 3 more qualifiers in which we went 1-1-1 for him to realize what a lot of us saw. Will it matter in the end, probably not, but this doesnt change the facts

Mojofc
Post #20
Wednesday June 12, 2013 9:33pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 670
MSantoine, again I'm not saying I love JK. He's made mistakes, wouldn't say I'm a fan of him either, but it's too simplistic to say 'taking more shots' is a result of him changing his ways to something we wanted all along.

Sure, we want more shots, but the players didn't create opportunities for themselves. Many on the board, not you, blamed Jozy quite a bit as well.

JK failed at trying to implement Williams and Beckerman to a lesser degree. JK failed to realize Shea was out of form/burnt out about 4 games too late.

Bob Bradley failed with Bornstein for years? At least it seemed that long.. I don't even remember.

BB failed massively with Robbie Findley at 2010.

BB failed to see the danger of playing Ricardo Clark and Mo Edu to some degree.

There are more examples obviously.

What I've said isn't 'right' and what you've said isn't 'wrong' MSantoine.. simply pointing things out that don't really negate your statements, but do show JK has positives as well as negatives.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
rainORshine
Post #21
Wednesday June 12, 2013 9:49pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
if i recall, JK took on the challenge of "bringing the team to another level"... something like that.

with win % hovering around 50% (currently worse than BB, which was worse than BA) and fairly modest amount of truly "impressive" outings over 29 games, I think it is safe to say that JK has YET to meet his own goals.

but he has another year and obviously he should feel like he (finally) has things turned in the proper direction.

nobody ever thought JK was going to be fired. (it was suggested that he resign if he coudnt start to move things into another gear)

ultimately 3-5 games next june will provide the final report card on JK. until then, we can (and will) all continue to analyze his decisions and discuss alternative options

good?

nolefansandy
Post #22
Wednesday June 12, 2013 10:05pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 280
guys we are first in the Hex while playing one less than a struggling Mexico side...be happy We are going to Brazil We are going to Brazil We are going we are going we are going to Brazil

ktbffhTXac
Post #23
Wednesday June 12, 2013 10:19pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 124
This might be a dumb question, but what are the expectations of the USMNT (aside from qualifying for the WC)? Has anyone actually thought about that? Does anyone actually think that this team is supposed to be a legitimate contender to win the whole thing next summer? If you do, let me know how the weather is and Imagination Land.

My point is this, JK's plan has always been to transform the US soccer system from something that is consistently mediocre/average to something that is consistently good and competitive. It's a massive project that is going to take some time to complete. It's going to take time to implement one, cohesive system across all levels of the USSF. It's going to take time for our players to master that system It's going to take time to be able to steal away some of the most promising young athletes and convince them to commit to soccer instead of one of the big 3 American sports. But once that starts happening the USMNT will be a global force to be reckoned with, especially that last one (can you imagine if guys like LeBron James, RG3, Keven Durant, Calvin Johnson, etc. had committed to soccer at a young age).

Yes I get frustrated with JK and his decisions. Sure we could fire JK and hire someone else. But that's a perpetuating cycle that will only see us qualify for the WC and then call it a success if we make it out of the group stage. I'm tired of that. With our pool of pure athletes, there is no reason why we shouldn't be a dominant country in soccer, especially with the other resources we have at our disposal.

Like I said earlier, it's not going to happen overnight. A soccer culture has to be cultivated and laid as the foundation for the future. We just have to be patient - and no, 29 games is not enough time. Subscribe to the bigger picture and I guarantee it'll be worth it.

(steps down off soapbox)

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #24
Wednesday June 12, 2013 10:21pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,302
Original post from nolefansandy

guys we are first in the Hex while playing one less than a struggling Mexico side...be happy We are going to Brazil We are going to Brazil We are going we are going we are going to Brazil


Im only singing that chant if we beat honduras !!!!!

Funny how ESPN played that on the highlight reel

skangles
DC
Post #25
Wednesday June 12, 2013 10:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,855
Original post from blaise213

Im only singing that chant if we beat honduras !!!!!

Funny how ESPN played that on the highlight reel


That chant made me cringe. We are well on our way but never count the chickens before they hatch. There will be some pretty painful youtube compilations if we fall apart.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #26
Wednesday June 12, 2013 10:52pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 973
And some stoked Mexicans haha

MSantoine
Post #27
Thursday June 13, 2013 1:41am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,051
Original post from ktbffhTXac

This might be a dumb question, but what are the expectations of the USMNT (aside from qualifying for the WC)?


My expectations for them are to get out of the group stage. They have more talent (ie players playing in big 4 leagues) then ever before. Also assuming CONCACAF 4th beats New Zealand, and CONMEBOL 5 beats Asian 5 then our group will most likely cotain 1 SA team , and either 2 Euro teams (1 seeded, 1 average) or 1 Euro & 1 CAF *My reasoning is if theres 4 CONCACAF and 4 AFC with none of them seeded theres one pod). Top seeds will likely be Brazil (host guarenteed), Argentina, the top 6 teams in europe. So we'll either get Brazil/Argentina or a top 6 Euro team and then either a bottom 7 Euro team (think Bosnia/Croatia level) or African team. Unless we get a group of death we should expect to beat an African team and lower Euro/non Brazil/non argentina SA team. Not saying we'll be better but expectations should be to beat teams similar to you.

USA has (or should) have set the bar that making it to the knockout round is the bar. Failure to do that is a bad cycle (whether we qualify or not). Making it is good. Making it to a QF or SF is great.

EKneezy
Post #28
Thursday June 13, 2013 3:20am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,734
Firing Klinsmann would be bad at this point to say the least. I think too often as fans we get too high or low based on the team results. Right now isnt a time to think fire klinsmann. That's just being negative to be negative. You would think we lost 2-0 by reading these posts.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #29
Thursday June 13, 2013 3:35am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,850
How many people think the US will get hit with the group of death in 2014?

skangles
DC
Post #30
Thursday June 13, 2013 3:54am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,855
We were in the one of the Groups of Death in 2006 and the weakest group in 2010. Maybe we can just be in a typical group in 2014.

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