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Nick4235
Boston, Mass
Post #1
Tuesday May 21, 2013 4:33pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 164
It's official. MLS announced today that NY2 is going to be the 20th MLS team owned by Man City and the New York Yankees. I'm not sure how I feel about this. It's nice to see interest in MLS but I was hoping someone else would get 20th team.

Nick4235
Boston, Mass
Post #2
Tuesday May 21, 2013 4:34pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 164
They're starting play in 2015.

nolefansandy
Post #3
Tuesday May 21, 2013 4:42pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 284
wait so a tag team of Qatari oil money and Steinbrenner?

thisguy2
Inland empire
Post #4
Tuesday May 21, 2013 4:44pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 224
I'm actually glad there is going to be a 20th team, it's backed by Manchester City and Yankees. Two multimillionaire companies! Hopefully they can bring in some good quality players. By quality I mean players from good leagues not from Scandinavian leagues...

Just hope they do get the Fan base needed to support that team.
Thisguy2
Alcharod
302
Post #5
Tuesday May 21, 2013 4:46pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
The only reason the team is in NYC is because the Petro Dollar boys told MLS that they would buy into the team ONLY if it were in NYC. Greed Conquers all... Shame on the MLS for robbing other deserving teams of the 20th team in the league. No reason why the 20th team was not in Orlando, Miami, or the Raleigh/Durham area.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #6
Tuesday May 21, 2013 4:52pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
This team will generate far more soccer buzz on a national level versus any small market team.

I think it's awesome and will push MLS further along into the national attention for soccer.

You can kick and scream all you want, but New York is the biggest media market in the world let alone the U.S.

More buzz more DP spots to bring in more top talent to the league. And it creates a buzz all across MLS for other teams to step it up.

nolefansandy
Post #7
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:04pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 284
I am sorry but Miami does not deserve a team at least not yet. Miami should try to prove themselves first in the lower levels before they are trusted with a team.

Lilshmike
Post #8
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
This is terrible. Honestly, for those of you who think this is a great idea, you are sadly mistaken.

Yes, the 20th team should have been in NYC. However, that team should have been the NY Cosmos. The Cosmos is an internationally recognized brand and team. And now that there is this new team in NYC, that brand/name/team will never be able to flourish in this country.

nolefansandy
Post #9
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:10pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 284
the flipside of the Cosmos argument is the Cosmos is the symbol of the failed NASL where they trumped overspending on stars and not about building teams. There is an argument that the Cosmos are the reason why the old NASL failed

Lilshmike
Post #10
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
@Alcharod

The only reason that this team is in NYC is because it is the largest market, and the only thing that was keeping a team from being in the heart of NYC was the fact that no club had the finances to make it a possibility. Now that there is an owner with a virtually unlimited supply of cash, MLS wants a piece of that money. The only thing that MLS robbed was the Cosmos from re-establishing a worldwide name in soccer. The cities you mentioned would be OK venues for an MLS franchise, but not at the moment. Down the road, yes. But not now. Plus the cosmos already began planning and had the backing for a new stadium to be built. It is complete and total bull crap.

Lilshmike
Post #11
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:21pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
@nolefansandy

Yea, you can make that argument. But still, it doesnt take away from the fact that the Cosmos are a world renowned club. MLS wants international exposure. What better way than to re-introduce a club that people around the globe know.

Lilshmike
Post #12
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:32pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
In response to anyone else:

This is terrible and corrupt. The entire decision. Terrible and corrupt.

The MLS wants to be recognized as a legitimate league, right? How then can we do that if we are signing contracts and creating "partnerships" with other teams in other leagues to form "brother" clubs? How can we be taken seriously when NYCFC will be the little brother of a team in Europe?

Corrupt? FIFA's new financial fair play makes it so that teams can only spend as much as they earn. So how does that play in? Many clubs (Man City included) have been trying to find a way to beat and cheat the system. Man City, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona, and Chelsea have all tried to come up with ways to beat FIFA financial fair play.

How does NYCFC play into this? It will be owned by Man City. Man City will send over random guys on loan to play for NYCFC, and SELL their aging stars for ridiculous amounts of money to the NYCFC team as DPs. For example, selling a player like Wayne Bridge for $40 million to NYCFC. He is not worth that much, his value will be terribly inflated, but that wont matter. Man City will be using their own money to pay themselves so that they can "earn" more money and get more room to spend in FIFA financial fair play.

NYCFC will by Manchester City's excuse to beat FIFA financial fair play and will allow them to funnel their own money back into the club to make room for more purchases. Corrupt. And MLS is completely cool with it because they are going to profit off of it...

nolefansandy
Post #13
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:33pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 284
@Lilshmike

But is the Cosmos a bigger brand than a tag team of Man City and the Yankees? I was hesitant about the NYC2 deal until the Yankees got involved. It gives the club huge relevance in NYC and definitely in the US.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #14
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:43pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from 2tone

This team will generate far more soccer buzz on a national level versus any small market team.

I think it's awesome and will push MLS further along into the national attention for soccer.

You can kick and scream all you want, but New York is the biggest media market in the world let alone the U.S.

More buzz more DP spots to bring in more top talent to the league. And it creates a buzz all across MLS for other teams to step it up.


Yes, exactly. This will raise the bar for the entire league.

Lilshmike
Post #15
Tuesday May 21, 2013 5:48pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
@nolefansandy

Steinbrenner is the only positive in the situation. He is a big American name and he will be good for the game domestically.

But no, the Cosmos are not bigger than Man City and the Yankees combined. However, if the MLS wanted to tag team with a huge international name, it wouldnt be Man City. They have only been relevant the past few years. Before that they were practically unknown. Only reason its happening is because the money.

Now that NYCFC is going to happen, say goodbye to the Red Bulls. This would have been the case either way with the Cosmos, but now that the Yankees are involved... see ya. Fewer and fewer fans will start going to those games, and they will prob have to become the NJ Red Bulls in order to keep some fans because people from NYC are not going to want to make the trip that far away to support a club that isnt in their city or state when they have a truly NY team.

My main concern (aside from the corruption issue) is that it just discredits us. As a league. As a soccer nation. It brings us down. We want to be able to compare to those leagues internationally. We want to earn respect overseas and prove ourselves against top competition. How can we do that when we are relying on foreign clubs to establish "brother" clubs in our league? We wont be able to gain any type of respect or credibility when our best players are overpaid players that we are getting from the "brother" club for inflated prices.

We will always be viewed as the "little brother". We will be viewed as inferior, unless we can create and establish our own identity. The Cosmos was our own identity. Something truly American that was, and still is, recognized worldwide. I am just salty about the issue. In my opinion, I think it will do more harm to our image than good.

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