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rainORshine
Post #61
Friday October 4, 2013 3:47pm

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Original post from navi8132

RainORShine, today is your happy day, Kljestan has been called up to the WCQs. Now to whether or not he gets PT...


im not holding my breath

bbakerxyz
Post #62
Friday October 4, 2013 4:13pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Yeah, not worried. As long as Jones continues to get PT at Schalke we'll be fine. If you were playing against Bayern Munich, Chelsea, etc. week in week out then you had to play Jamaica (and w/ shitters like Wondo, Beckerman, etc.) you'd try to do more than you usually do too. When the WC comes he'll be smart enough to stay defensive.

navi8132
Post #63
Friday October 4, 2013 4:28pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Whoa boy giving him too much credit. If he had Michael Bradley's brain, you'd have a helluva soccer player.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #64
Friday October 4, 2013 9:43pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 426
Original post from rainORshine

im not holding my breath


Lol!!!
I hear you, even if he plays 70 minutes, rain will not be happy, you'll need full 90 :-)

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #65
Friday October 4, 2013 9:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from dfw_fan

Lol!!!
I hear you, even if he plays 70 minutes, rain will not be happy, you'll need full 90 :-)


Plus a 20 minute kickabout after the match.

All in good fun, rain :-P

I do think that without a standard bearer as taking up the mantle of the #6 role, we may need to transition Bradley into that deep lying playmaker role or start getting Cam some games in CDM.

admsghs27
Post #66
Friday October 4, 2013 9:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Rain must be very delighted... Maybe he gets the start to top it off...

navi8132
Post #67
Friday October 4, 2013 10:02pm

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I would like to see Zusi as a DM. I don't think we would want to waste him on the bench. If he can do a better job at DM, he should get PT there...

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #68
Friday October 4, 2013 10:21pm

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I see him more as another #8, which is more the role he plays for SKC, if we're not using him on the wing to cut inside...worth a shot though, we don't have anyone that's married to the enforcer/play-breaker-upper role, the closest we have is Jones.

navi8132
Post #69
Friday October 4, 2013 10:36pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Issue is we need someone to partner with Bradley who is calm, who is smart, and who will stay defensive. Zusi could do it. He may be better at other positions, but the issue is, IS HE BETTER THAN Beckerman, Jones, and Cameron at the DM position. Its possible he may be better than Beckerman and Cameron at DM. That is important to find out (especially if you are going to bench him most of the time).

rainORshine
Post #70
Sunday October 13, 2013 11:31am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
fun stat for all you sacha fans:

last 2 appearances:
- 39 minutes played; US has scored 4 goals in those 39 minutes

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #71
Sunday October 13, 2013 1:23pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 276
Well we should finally see what Sasha has to offer, assuming he's starting. At best he's a late second half sub in the WC when Jones comes out for some needed offense.
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skangles
DC
Post #72
Sunday October 13, 2013 5:14pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Or he could get playing time when Jones inevitably picks up a Red card.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #73
Sunday October 13, 2013 5:49pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Fun Stat. The USMNT has scored 4 goals and kept 1 clean sheet in Edgar Castillo's 69 minutes of play. All this indicates is that stats can lead to confirmation bias. Which means you pick the stats that confirm your bias for a player i.e. Kljestan, Castillo, or anyone else's favorite players. To validate any stat for a player it has to be shown for over a length of time not a short period of time.

rainORshine
Post #74
Sunday October 13, 2013 6:10pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
Original post from 2tone

Fun Stat. The USMNT has scored 4 goals and kept 1 clean sheet in Edgar Castillo's 69 minutes of play. All this indicates is that stats can lead to confirmation bias. Which means you pick the stats that confirm your bias for a player i.e. Kljestan, Castillo, or anyone else's favorite players. To validate any stat for a player it has to be shown for over a length of time not a short period of time.


good point! i have an idea... let's give kljestan consistent playing time over a long period of time!

why didn't i think of that before???

dolcem
Post #75
Sunday October 13, 2013 6:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Sacha played really nicely but it was Jamaica at home...also, Mix started to look really good after the formation change as well. SK has really helped himself this season but let's not get ahead of ourselves and put him in front of Bradley or Jones on the depth chart. One of those two would probably have to stop playing at the club level for that to happen. And Mix had a good summer as well and now has a lot of NT experience. But it is nice to further confirm how much depth at CM. Add Torres, a healthy Holden, Edu, Williams, and Beckerman into the mix, and I'd argue that we have more depth at this position than we have ever had for any field position at any point in the USNT's history. I really wish we could trade one of those guys for a winger. Or three.

Original post from 2tone

Fun Stat. The USMNT has scored 4 goals and kept 1 clean sheet in Edgar Castillo's 69 minutes of play. All this indicates is that stats can lead to confirmation bias. Which means you pick the stats that confirm your bias for a player i.e. Kljestan, Castillo, or anyone else's favorite players. To validate any stat for a player it has to be shown for over a length of time not a short period of time.


This is one of many reasons why stats in soccer are pretty useless and you don't hear people outside of the states use them in discussing the game. We're used to American sports, which are very statistical (and of course in these sports, for a variety of reasons, it's much easier to isolate one player's statistics/performance) and mathematical (perhaps also because size is so important as well). You'll notice a lot of the newer US fans try and compare players based on such analysis: ie Boyd scores x amount of goals in the Austrian league which has a competitive factor of y, but if you multiply the number of goals EJ scores by the competitiveness factor of the MLS, EJ is better.

You can't compare players in this way. Soccer is a totally different type of sport. One that is highly subjective where evaluation of a player's quality depends almost entirely on what US fans call "the eye test." Since none of us are high-level scouts or coaches, none of us are experts when it comes to player evaluation, and none of our opinions really matter all that much. That's why it's so annoying to hear people say "OMFG! LICHAJ NEEDS TO PLAY INSTEAD OF EVANS!" because if we're honest with ourselves, no one here is smart enough to make that call better than our current coaching staff (not that they're the best in the world at it, but they are much better than we are). Yeah, sure, it's not so subjective that we can't definitely say that Donovan is better than Davis, for example, but when the players are reasonably close, we can't pretend our opinions are facts. And even if they were, that says nothing for how those players fit into the overall system.
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