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richieJkulesaNY
Post #46
Wednesday September 18, 2013 6:45pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Original post from oldkeeper

Like it or not fellas, Beckerman is a lock. JK loves him. Watch some of the pregame interviews with JK and listen to how he gushes about Becks. And the start against Mexico says it all. Edu I can't see. He did play a lot early for JK but with no game minutes and no inclusion on recent rosters, no chance. I'm seeing Bradley, Jones, Mix, and Beckerman. Just seems to be JK's formula.


Remember Ricardo Clark folks, it only takes that one mistake in the biggest moment to cost us. He is painfully slow on the ball and gets dispossessed by crap CONCACAF teams. Better teams will make us pay for those mistakes.

Look, you might be right, but if most fans understand this, Klinsmann has to also.

There is no room for mediocrity in the World Cup.

navi8132
Post #47
Wednesday September 18, 2013 6:54pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,952
I assure you Brad Evans and Beasly will be our starting fullbacks in WC. I will take anyone in a bet. 50$

Jzaval01
Post #48
Wednesday September 18, 2013 6:57pm

Joined May 2013
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The thing about Clark is he was starting in a Round of 16 match. Beckerman will not be a Starting XI besides Beckerman > Clark. Beckerman can replace any injury if Bradley or Jones etc etc. Clark is no where near this squad he is and was terrible that cost us

richieJkulesaNY
Post #49
Wednesday September 18, 2013 7:25pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 945
Original post from Jzaval01

The thing about Clark is he was starting in a Round of 16 match. Beckerman will not be a Starting XI besides Beckerman > Clark. Beckerman can replace any injury if Bradley or Jones etc etc. Clark is no where near this squad he is and was terrible that cost us


Not comparing the two players, just saying when you play guys that are out of their depth, they are prone to mistakes that will cost us the game. I bring up Ricardo Clark because he was dispossessed by Ghana and it led directly to a goal. While Beckerman has looked ok, not really bad or really good, he's prone to these kinds of turnovers, even against weak competition. Imagine him against Ghana, France, Ivory Coast, Netherlands, Brazil, Argentina, etc..

If I'm Jurgen Klinsmann, I shake Beckermans hand, say thank you for not blowing the Gold Cup, and tell him, "Im sorry, its not me, its you."

richieJkulesaNY
Post #50
Wednesday September 18, 2013 7:26pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 945
Original post from navi8132

I assure you Brad Evans and Beasly will be our starting fullbacks in WC. I will take anyone in a bet. 50$


Haha I'll give you Beasley, but Evans will not be the RB. I dont even think Beasley will be the LB, but his chances are better. I still think it's going to be Chandler on the right, no matter how hard it is to see that now.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #51
Wednesday September 18, 2013 8:46pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 331
Original post from navi8132

I assure you Brad Evans and Beasly will be our starting fullbacks in WC. I will take anyone in a bet. 50$


Done.
We are going to Brazil
rainORshine
Post #52
Wednesday September 18, 2013 10:07pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
Original post from oldkeeper

Like it or not fellas, Beckerman is a lock. JK loves him. Watch some of the pregame interviews with JK and listen to how he gushes about Becks. And the start against Mexico says it all. Edu I can't see. He did play a lot early for JK but with no game minutes and no inclusion on recent rosters, no chance. I'm seeing Bradley, Jones, Mix, and Beckerman. Just seems to be JK's formula.


whoa, whoa, whoa. JK has had love affairs with williams and edu as well.

williams is now settling in at reading - started last 2 games. 2 shutouts, including a win today

i would actually be a little surprised to NOT see williams on roster in october

if williams is playing well come the spring i would much rather see him on WC roster than beckerman.

if edu gets healthy an finds a place to play he will re-enter the conversation as well

Jzaval01
Post #53
Wednesday September 18, 2013 10:12pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,570
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Not comparing the two players, just saying when you play guys that are out of their depth, they are prone to mistakes that will cost us the game. I bring up Ricardo Clark because he was dispossessed by Ghana and it led directly to a goal. While Beckerman has looked ok, not really bad or really good, he's prone to these kinds of turnovers, even against weak competition. Imagine him against Ghana, France, Ivory Coast, Netherlands, Brazil, Argentina, etc..

If I'm Jurgen Klinsmann, I shake Beckermans hand, say thank you for not blowing the Gold Cup, and tell him, "Im sorry, its not me, its you."


I agree Beckerman is prone to mistakes just like clark was. But he wont be starting like clark. Also we have alot of options still to look at for midfield. Regardless I still feel safe with Backerman than i did ever with clark

rainORshine
Post #54
Thursday October 3, 2013 1:29am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
well i think sacha has outgrown anderlecht

by the end of the game today the commentator could not stop raving about kljestan.. and anderlecht were losing 3-0.

anderlecht came out and dictated play from the opening whistle (ended with 61% possession, 18-8 shots, 8-1 corner kicks) and were beaten handily. kljestan helped control the middle... but the defending and finishing was terrible

anderlecht is simply too young, too naive to compete with the best in europe.

8 of 11 starters were 23 or under
- 20 y/o GK
- 3 23 y/o defenders
- midfield and attack included a 20, two 19 and a 16 y/o

a great example of really talented, really young players against seasoned professionals.

kljestan should have a few years still at the top of his game - i could envision a move to a top half team in france by the summer... think he would do really well there

either way kljestan is playing extremely well and should be given every opportunity to partner bradley in brazil

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #55
Thursday October 3, 2013 1:46am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 996
Agreed.

dolcem
Post #56
Thursday October 3, 2013 9:02am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Kljestan is in form right now and played well last night against Olympiakos. He is good at making runs forward and picking out a good pass. As long as Jones or Bradley is on the field though, he shouldn't be. He does the same things they do and likes to go forward. As we have seen with Jones and Bradley, two box-to-box #8's can't be paired together. Kljestan (and Diskerud as well) are also that type of player.

This is an example of the amount of depth we have now on the USNT but how a lot of the time, it doesn't really help. We have four very solid box-to-box #8's, including our best field player, and the next best one (Jones) is arguably just as talented. That doesn't help us at all unless Bradley gets injured because there's only room for one of those four players on the pitch (heck I think that's even the case in the 4-3-3). Unless of course you play one of those four out of position (as a #6). Bradley, IMO, is the only one of them who could play well as a #6 (and not lose the strong parts of his game), and neither the fans nor Bradley want that.
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tylercocinas
Post #57
Thursday October 3, 2013 1:59pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 760
Jones' main issue with the US is he tries to do too much as opposed to his role at Schalke. If he would keep it simple, and focus on defense I think he too could play an effective #6 which would allow Kljestan to get forward and do some of the things he does at Anderlecht. That pairing has only played together once, and it was against Belgium so I go believe they should get another opportunity because given how unpredictable the game is you gotta have that chemistry between all potential pairings, you never know who will be available for selection come this summer.

dolcem
Post #58
Thursday October 3, 2013 10:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from tylercocinas

Jones' main issue with the US is he tries to do too much as opposed to his role at Schalke. If he would keep it simple, and focus on defense I think he too could play an effective #6 which would allow Kljestan to get forward and do some of the things he does at Anderlecht. That pairing has only played together once, and it was against Belgium so I go believe they should get another opportunity because given how unpredictable the game is you gotta have that chemistry between all potential pairings, you never know who will be available for selection come this summer.


You are right, all Jones would have to do is not do too much and simplify his game. But that hasn't happened yet...he is such a #8 at heart and he is a player who is difficult to control. He is fiery and has this compulsion to run around a lot and break up plays. That's what makes him great but unable to perform as a #6. And it's interesting you say chemistry because Jones did not like playing with Sacha. After that game he came out and said he only wanted to play with Bradley. I'm not saying Jones is right, but it's something to keep in mind. I don't know if Jones wants to play as the #6 (and I know Bradley doesn't), especially if it's to play cover for someone other than Bradley.

If Jones or Bradley would just play as a true #6 we'd be set but I don't know if Jones can and neither would want to. It's a huge problem and why that Jones/Bradley thread has so many pages.

Also, is the Jones/Kljestan pairing just for these two games? Or is that your preferred combo? If so, what about Bradley?
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MSantoine
Post #59
Friday October 4, 2013 2:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,187
Original post from dolcem

You are right, all Jones would have to do is not do too much and simplify his game. But that hasn't happened yet...he is such a #8 at heart and he is a player who is difficult to control. He is fiery and has this compulsion to run around a lot and break up plays. That's what makes him great but unable to perform as a #6. And it's interesting you say chemistry because Jones did not like playing with Sacha. After that game he came out and said he only wanted to play with Bradley. I'm not saying Jones is right, but it's something to keep in mind. I don't know if Jones wants to play as the #6 (and I know Bradley doesn't), especially if it's to play cover for someone other than Bradley.

If Jones or Bradley would just play as a true #6 we'd be set but I don't know if Jones can and neither would want to. It's a huge problem and why that Jones/Bradley thread has so many pages.

Also, is the Jones/Kljestan pairing just for these two games? Or is that your preferred combo? If so, what about Bradley?


This is a coming problem in other sports. When you play with lesser talent you try to do to much. Jones plays week in, and week out with top footballers, then he comes here and plays with beckerman, Zusi, EJ and thinks he has to do more than he usually does. As our team improves I think it will allow him to settle more into his comfortable role and succeed

navi8132
Post #60
Friday October 4, 2013 3:21pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,952
RainORShine, today is your happy day, Kljestan has been called up to the WCQs. Now to whether or not he gets PT...

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