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Post #196
Wednesday November 6, 2013 5:01pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

since JK took over in 2011 sacha has a TOTAL of 349 minutes

by contrast here are various minute totals for 2013 alone:
- beckerman - 680
- bedoya - 667
- castillo - 361
- corona - 411
- diskerud - 650
- holden - 361
- orozco - 466
- parkhurst - 596
- torres - 358
- wondo - 354

and 2012
- edu - 634
- parkhurst - 389
- torres - 350
- williams - 489

there is only 2 ways to look at this info:
1) sacha is not good and is simply not deserving of PT
2) sacha has been screwed over

sacha has been doing his thing this entire cycle. If JK is now realizing SK deserves more PT he is essentially admitting that he has been wrong about his assessment up till this point.

obviously humans have far too little humility to simply say, "you know what, I think I botched this one"... which is why you wont hear JK or any other sacha-doubters say anything like this

i actually have more respect for the idiots who are still coming in saying sacha sucks and will not be a part of the team than the ones who seem to be suggesting that has not been very good or deserving of looks until right now. all are terrible evaluators of talent... but at least some are honest enough to realize that sacha is just being sacha and not doing anything particularly impressive (by his standards) this fall


Because you aren't a terrible evaluator of talent? You are clearly trying to call me out. I have stated for the past 5 months that Sacha deserves more looks. No, I am still not sold that he will provide anything significant i.e. exactly how he was average against Panama and did not provide any kind of significance to the attack or defense.

Good for you that you have been a SK fanboy from the beginning.

You speak of humility when you clearly have none. People with humility don't don't write what you just posed. People with humility don't call out other posters. You clearly have a massive ego, and all you are trying to do is to boost that ego.

MSantoine
Post #197
Wednesday November 6, 2013 5:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,020
Original post from rainORshine

since JK took over in 2011 sacha has a TOTAL of 349 minutes

by contrast here are various minute totals for 2013 alone:
- beckerman - 680
- bedoya - 667
- castillo - 361
- corona - 411
- diskerud - 650
- holden - 361
- orozco - 466
- parkhurst - 596
- torres - 358
- wondo - 354



How does comparing his PT against fullbacks, wingers, and strikers have anything to do with anything? Hes not competing with wondo, parkhurst, orozco, castillo, or bedoya. Hes not evern really competing with Beckerman ( a strict 6) , Corona (only deployed on the wing), or Torres (almost all of his 2013 minutes came via wing. Your comparing his PT to Mixx (AGAIN!!) and hiding it with irrelevant data. Nicely done

MSantoine
Post #198
Wednesday November 6, 2013 6:16pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,020
@Rain let me ask you a couple of questions and if we still dont agree then its clear we never will.

1) If we had a CM playing in France, Belgium, Spain, Germany, Netherlands, England, Portugal for a decent to good team (obviously would require better teams in the lower leagues) then he would be in the mix for minutes at CM above, or at the slightest equal to Sacha?

2) If we had a 23 year old or younger midfielder starting in a decent (same as above plus the next tier of eastern europe, greece, turkey, russia, etc) league hed be in the mix. And we should be pushing that player to see if he can develop.

3) Is it not possible that Mixx transfers to a league in two months and fits those qualifications?

If you think he might transfer to a team with caliber like that then whether or not hes there now doesnt matter. Mine as well start giving him minutes now. It was the same argument for JAB last winter/spring. We knew this fall hed be a bundesliga starter. Why did we have to wait until he played his first bundesliga game to call him in. Nothing changed in those two months. 1, 2, 3 games wouldnt change anything big picture wise. Same thing with Mixx over Sasha. If you think Mixx will transfer this winter to a good team, in a good league, then being 4-5 years younger than Sacha would put him above SK in the pecking order (in my eyes) and he'd deserve the chances first. If he face planted then youd turn to SK. He hasnt yet.

Now if Mixx doesnt transfer this winter then I will admit he shouldnt be in the national team picture as how can you count on world cup caliber play for someone playing in Norweigen league but Norwegin league is good enough for B team friendlies and CONCACAF foes (which is really all Mixx has played in).

If this doesnt settle the debate then nothing will

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Post #199
Thursday November 7, 2013 10:54pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Regardless of how you feel about Kljestan as a player, this is should make you laugh.

The headline: "Zlatan told me I have a terrible moustache, says Anderlecht player"

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/...

Tiger
Post #200
Thursday November 14, 2013 11:32pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 84
I agree that Sacha has not received nearly as much of an opportunity as many on the outside looking in believe he deserves. The statistical analysis that various writers to this site have engaged in makes for debate points.

However, over time, beyond an individual player's individual field statistics, the ultimate statistic is how does the team perform when that player is on the pitch. How does his presence or absence improve or degrade other player's performances, as well as the team's final results.

rainORshine
Post #201
Saturday November 16, 2013 2:49pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
whoops - posted to wrong thread - see "bradley/jones" thread - moved over there

rainORshine
Post #202
Wednesday December 11, 2013 12:29am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
nice milestone for sacha with UCL goal today - 40th goal (unofficially) in all competition for his career - MLS + USMNT + anderlecht

the 8 he has this season is a career high - getting better like a fine wine

if i am sacha's agent (and shockingly i am not) i would be on the horn with every decent team in france right now (with anderlecht consent as his under long-term contract). SK's value should be at a peak right now and he has done all there is to do with anderlecht... he is a man among boys there at this point.

a ligue 1 team with european ambitions could a lot worse than SK. not sure they could do much better for the money... maybe a few million pound transfer

would much rather see sacha go to a solid team in france than a team struggling to survive in england or germany and think his game is pretty well suited to ligue 1...

not that JK is paying attention...

Chrisou101
Post #203
Wednesday December 11, 2013 12:45am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 553
well if SK want's to get the attention he deserves, I suggest he move to a bigger league. I remember Fulham was interested in him.

admsghs27
Post #204
Wednesday December 11, 2013 1:41am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,897
Have to agree with rain his stock is rising by alot. I think he should stay.at anderlecht but if a big opportunity presents itself he should take it. If he stays.in belgium and keeps performing well he will be in Brazil and heck maybe.start. the last thing I wanna see is him going to epl, or bundesliga, or la liga and get buried on the bench or.depth chart, but if he prevails in those leagues then the better for the mnt,, and himself.

dunlopp9987
Post #205
Wednesday December 11, 2013 1:46am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 951
Here's my two cents.

Seeing as how Sacha is one of two players to play in the CL this season, I firmly believe he should be in Brazil next summer. He was in a good group, played against great competition, and has been one of Anderlecht's best players this season. With that being said, if Jurgen continues with the 4-2-3-1 he has been playing, I don't see a spot in the XI for Sacha. I personally think his best position is the exact role that Bradley plays for us, a holding midfielder who can link between the defense and attack. I don't think he can play the defensive mid that SHOULD be protecting the back line (not like JJ does that job anyways...), but I also don't see Sacha as being a true CAM.

I think he's very talented, and if anything were to happen to Bradley before or during the World Cup, I think Sacha should be next in line. However, with the current formation Jurgen is using, I don't think he has a place in the XI.
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Post #206
Wednesday December 11, 2013 4:21am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,033
Original post from dunlopp9987

Here's my two cents.

Seeing as how Sacha is one of two players to play in the CL this season, I firmly believe he should be in Brazil next summer. He was in a good group, played against great competition, and has been one of Anderlecht's best players this season. With that being said, if Jurgen continues with the 4-2-3-1 he has been playing, I don't see a spot in the XI for Sacha. I personally think his best position is the exact role that Bradley plays for us, a holding midfielder who can link between the defense and attack. I don't think he can play the defensive mid that SHOULD be protecting the back line (not like JJ does that job anyways...), but I also don't see Sacha as being a true CAM.

I think he's very talented, and if anything were to happen to Bradley before or during the World Cup, I think Sacha should be next in line. However, with the current formation Jurgen is using, I don't think he has a place in the XI.


Great post. Kljestan seems to have really developed a nose for making those late runs and scoring goals, which is one of Bradley's specialties. As I've been saying all along though, he is a #8 whose strength is going forward, which means if you play him in a 4-5-1, the other CM has to be a dedicated #6. Jones is not good at that and I don't think Bradley would want to play that position, either. The one thing I will say is that playing in the CL shouldn't guarantee you a trip to Brazil. It helps but there are so many other factors involved. Diskerud is also in the mix at that position and it's up to the staff to decide between those two players. One thing Mix does have going for him is that he can play CM and CAM, whereas I think Kljestan can only play one of the two.
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Post #207
Wednesday December 11, 2013 5:11am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 84
Had Sacha been playing in any other US generation of up until this point he would be a starter no doubt. Sadly for him he came along right when a slightly younger better version of himself was playing (Bradley). Still needs to be in Brazil.
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Post #208
Thursday December 12, 2013 12:01am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 666
Did anyone happen to actually watch Kljestans match yesterday that can give us their opinion on how he played aside from the goal?
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rainORshine
Post #209
Thursday December 12, 2013 1:10am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
i thought he was good as usual

goal.com:

The American continued his impressive goal scoring record for the season, tapping in from close range to claim the equaliser. He was one of Anderlecht's best performers with his ability to find a pass in tight areas.

only GK - who saved 2 PK and made a few other amazing saves - was judged to be better

team average -2.67 'stars'. SK - 3.5

admsghs27
Post #210
Thursday December 12, 2013 2:41am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,897
Sacha > Jones skill/Technique wise.
Jones is just more physical, aggressive.
Speed i think both are the same.
Finishing equal.
Jones has that IT factor.
Ill take Sacha over Jones in the world cup vs Ghana, after Jones vs Portugal, Germany.

Every single African team lacks technique, and team cohesiveness/ coaching. They all play individual soccer.

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