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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #181
Tuesday November 5, 2013 10:08pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Great assist from SK...
Anderlect Leading 1-0

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #182
Tuesday November 5, 2013 10:13pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
now it is 1-1 score from Ibra.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #183
Tuesday November 5, 2013 10:35pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
Sacha with a red? That's unlike him haha. Hopefully the result holds.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #184
Tuesday November 5, 2013 10:55pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
1-1 Tie...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #185
Tuesday November 5, 2013 11:11pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,516
As much as I am not sold on KLjestan, I do think he deserves more time with the USMNT. I think that all depends on how Klinsmann decides to use Bradley. If Klinsmann decides to use Bradley more as a Dm then that could open a spot up for Kljestan to be more of the linking CM. I would like to see a Bradley Kljestan pairing just to see if Kljestan can work better with Bradley then Jones can.

Chrisou101
Post #186
Tuesday November 5, 2013 11:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 626
Yeah, if Jones starts for the usa and has a hiccup again like against Bosnia I have no problem putting SK in for Jones as a super sub.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #187
Tuesday November 5, 2013 11:33pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Didn't watch the game. How was SK's performance besides the red card?

rainORshine
Post #188
Wednesday November 6, 2013 12:13am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
sacha was very strong throughout. commentators were extremely complementary on the goal as well as when he left the game. great assist on a class goal that he had his footprints all over

http://www.goalsaim.com/psg-vs-anderlecht-1-1...

brain freeze picking up a 2nd yellow flapping his arm out to knock down a pass (no where near the goal). bummer that he will have to sit next match

dolcem
Post #189
Wednesday November 6, 2013 6:27am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from 2tone

As much as I am not sold on KLjestan, I do think he deserves more time with the USMNT. I think that all depends on how Klinsmann decides to use Bradley. If Klinsmann decides to use Bradley more as a Dm then that could open a spot up for Kljestan to be more of the linking CM. I would like to see a Bradley Kljestan pairing just to see if Kljestan can work better with Bradley then Jones can.


I've been saying all along that it makes a lot of sense to have Bradley play as a #6 and then have either Kljestan, Diskerud, or Torres play alongside him (I'd prefer Torres because I'd rather have a deep-lying playmaker than a #8, like Kljestan or Diskerud, but that's just me). I don't think Bradley would take this well though...he's always wanted to be an 8 and not a 6. And in the past he's had a bit of a sense of entitlement. And you don't want to piss off a leader and fan/media favorite like Bradley.

And what I don't get is that a lot of what mojofc said is what a lot of us (myself included) have been saying all along. Granted mojo was more polite but still...you have to properly read other people's arguments before insulting or ignoring them.
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Riggity
Atlanta
Post #190
Wednesday November 6, 2013 7:54am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 66
Let's be real, if SK keeps this up, I don't see any way he will not be on the 23 in Brazil and the fact is he should be. I also thought Bradley would not be as excited about dropping deeper, but if he is the true leader we all view him as it should be easy for Klinsmann to explain to him that the team will be better with him a DM.(If JK feels the same way we do) If he wants to moan and complain it will just validate not giving him the armband sooner than whenever he gets it.

chillguy1992
Post #191
Wednesday November 6, 2013 8:20am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
I think the problem arises is that jermaine jones has been given so many opportunties to partner with micheal bradley and it just doesnt seem to be working. I would say bradley klijestan would be intresting. Both players like to get forward however you would have to see how both players would react to playing together. I think bradley klijestan should be tried with klijestan. Klijestan continues to put in good performances for club you have to wonder if he can get a starting job in the friendlies in november. I would say klijestan needs to give all that he can give in these next friendlies. If jones can just stay as a 6 rather then trying to play box to box thats where he will be most useful for the United States.

dolcem
Post #192
Wednesday November 6, 2013 10:57am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from chillguy1992

I think the problem arises is that jermaine jones has been given so many opportunties to partner with micheal bradley and it just doesnt seem to be working. I would say bradley klijestan would be intresting. Both players like to get forward however you would have to see how both players would react to playing together. I think bradley klijestan should be tried with klijestan. Klijestan continues to put in good performances for club you have to wonder if he can get a starting job in the friendlies in november. I would say klijestan needs to give all that he can give in these next friendlies. If jones can just stay as a 6 rather then trying to play box to box thats where he will be most useful for the United States.


The Bradley/Jones thing is basically the Lampard/Gerrard problem England has. You can't play two #8's (or in the English case, a #8 and a #10). Kljestan is a #8, just like Jones (although a different kind). The Bradley/Kljestan combo will have the same problems as the Bradley/Jones. I think Jones is supposed to be more of the #6 for us but struggles with it because it's not his natural position and the speed of the game is so much slower than it is for his club level (the Bundesliga is possibly the fastest soccer on the planet). It can be hard to adjust to the slower speed and sometimes Jones tries to do too much when he should play more simply and slowly. The question is whether or not Bradley would play as a #6 (in which case, we could play Jones, Kljestan, or Diskerud alongside him as the #8, or Torres as the deep-lying playmaker). I'm not sure he would (see my next paragraph).

Original post from Riggity

I also thought Bradley would not be as excited about dropping deeper, but if he is the true leader we all view him as it should be easy for Klinsmann to explain to him that the team will be better with him a DM.(If JK feels the same way we do) If he wants to moan and complain it will just validate not giving him the armband sooner than whenever he gets it.


Last time a coach told Bradley to do that he didn't want to and got benched for attitude problems. They ended up getting rid of him later. Bradley is the ex-coach's son (who was removed so that this outsider could replace him) that had the team given to him at a young age and later became our best field player (maybe even of all time). Understandably, he has a bit of a sense of entitlement (eg look at how he reacted when Wynalda criticized him that one time). I don't think he would really listen if asked to play deeper because that's not what he wants to do (he clearly prefers to play the 8 to the 6), and why should he listen to JK? What can JK do, bench him? If that happened, the media and thus eventually the general public would crucify him (along with a lot of the fans, too). Bradley has way more standing than Klinsmann among a lot of the fans and the media absolutely adores him (while a lot of American journalists have never been JK fans) and he has a very good idea of how he likes to play. Bradley will play the way he wants to play. And most people want to see him as a #8 anyway (although I don't).
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dolcem
Post #193
Wednesday November 6, 2013 11:02am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Riggity

Let's be real, if SK keeps this up, I don't see any way he will not be on the 23 in Brazil and the fact is he should be.


Keeps what up? At this point he needs to do more than play well for Anderlecht. NT form is all that matters for picking bubble players like Kljestan and Diskerud. If Sacha puts in some good performances, of course he'll go. If not, Mix might take his place. Maybe Kljestan is playing better than Mix professionally, but at this point, I have been more impressed with Mix than Kljestan thus far (for the NT). That's why I'm not so bothered by Klinsmann being a little slow to give Kljestan minutes. He's had a few games now and still not really done anything, while after the first few Diskerud games I saw, I was (somewhat) more impressed. It's way too earlier to tell, and Kljestan will probably get more chances, but I won't be surprised at all either way. This all of course means it's way too early to freak out about it, either.

Who here, in all honesty, thinks that after Kljestan's games for the NT so far he has overtaken Mix on the depth chart? I'm not saying Kljestan doesn't deserve more chances (and if he gets them, I would not at all be surprised if he turned out to be better for us than Mix), but he hasn't really lit it up yet and most of us would agree that there isn't a big gap between these two players (who are far below someone like Bradley, our lineup's #8). So I don't think we should freak out about Klinsmann's decision either way. This thread should NOT have 13 pages.
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rainORshine
Post #194
Wednesday November 6, 2013 2:33pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
since JK took over in 2011 sacha has a TOTAL of 349 minutes

by contrast here are various minute totals for 2013 alone:
- beckerman - 680
- bedoya - 667
- castillo - 361
- corona - 411
- diskerud - 650
- holden - 361
- orozco - 466
- parkhurst - 596
- torres - 358
- wondo - 354

and 2012
- edu - 634
- parkhurst - 389
- torres - 350
- williams - 489

there is only 2 ways to look at this info:
1) sacha is not good and is simply not deserving of PT
2) sacha has been screwed over

sacha has been doing his thing this entire cycle. If JK is now realizing SK deserves more PT he is essentially admitting that he has been wrong about his assessment up till this point.

obviously humans have far too little humility to simply say, "you know what, I think I botched this one"... which is why you wont hear JK or any other sacha-doubters say anything like this

i actually have more respect for the idiots who are still coming in saying sacha sucks and will not be a part of the team than the ones who seem to be suggesting that has not been very good or deserving of looks until right now. all are terrible evaluators of talent... but at least some are honest enough to realize that sacha is just being sacha and not doing anything particularly impressive (by his standards) this fall

hamsamwich
Post #195
Wednesday November 6, 2013 2:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Not impressed with Mix aside from a few flashes. In his starts he's been less than impressive (although he was robbed of a penalty- was that the costa rica game i cant recall at this moment it's early). I used to have high hopes for SK a few years ago, but poor touches at bad moments, a slight frame has actually added a little muscle too, and similar to Mix, he only appears in flashes, although I would agree he is more ready to play in Brazil than Mix would be. Neither should go IMO, SK has a better chance, or should theoretically because he can do more on the pitch than diskerud, who is also slight of frame and would get bullied in the WC, similar to SK.

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