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Lilshmike
Post #61
Monday June 17, 2013 4:34pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 482
When/if he starts scoring goals in Brazil and starts getting minutes, then lets bring him up in conversation.

I am not hating, I am just being realistic. I completely understand that arguments can be made both for and against Adu. But the fact remains, until he gets called in, or until he shines at the club level, he is irrelevant. Period.

It would be awesome if he happened to go on a tear and start to live up to the potential that he was given. But he hasnt (yet). Until that happens, he is irrelevant. Period.

MSantoine
Post #62
Tuesday June 18, 2013 12:45am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,608
Im not a Adu fan and usually bash him. However you cant say theres no point in debating him. Theres threads about Tony Taylor (played sub minutes only for the 5th best Portuguese team similar age to Adu). Some people have said Gerzlich deserves a shot (plays in Israel, similar age). Guys like Gyau and Morales were on some peoples list of players who should get called in. If you dont get mad when people suggest them or any other 23 or under player who isnt a regular starter then you shouldnt do it for Adu. You can have your opinion and think that he isnt close to getting a look (I dont think he should get a look until next cycle at the earliest) but to say he's irrelevant or thread closed is just ignorant

Alcharod
302
Post #63
Tuesday June 18, 2013 1:58am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from MSantoine

Im not a Adu fan and usually bash him. However you cant say theres no point in debating him. Theres threads about Tony Taylor (played sub minutes only for the 5th best Portuguese team similar age to Adu). Some people have said Gerzlich deserves a shot (plays in Israel, similar age). Guys like Gyau and Morales were on some peoples list of players who should get called in. If you dont get mad when people suggest them or any other 23 or under player who isnt a regular starter then you shouldnt do it for Adu. You can have your opinion and think that he isnt close to getting a look (I dont think he should get a look until next cycle at the earliest) but to say he's irrelevant or thread closed is just ignorant


Thank you!

Mojofc
Post #64
Tuesday June 18, 2013 3:21am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 574
To talk about Freddy Adu some more, since it apparently makes some people very upset... This is the Freddy Adu thread, if you don't want to hear about it, don't click it.

Moving on now.. Got a response from the guy Alcharod was speaking about.. the reporter who works on Bahia.

His name is Ivan Dias Marques and below is a summary of what he said:


He said Adu is training well. It's difficult for any foreigner to make it in Brazil. Said the team and coachs all like him and he gets along well with everyone.

Also, which we already know about.. the coaching change and the complaints from the fans about the politics within the club has made it an awkward moment within the club. New coach shows up and they had some pretty good performances, so Adu is trying to fight his way into the lineup now. Ivan thinks he will get his shot.

Ivan said he's happy that Bahia now has 20 days to train due to the Confederations Cup, it will give the new coach a better chance to get to know him better.

and last one I will quote directly.. 'Yeah, I think the main concern is Cristóvão understand how Adu can fit in brazilian style of playing. And, of course, in Bahia's style'


To top it off, the guy is cool and said we can get in touch with him anytime and he'd be happy to help us out if we had any questions.
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skangles
DC
Post #65
Tuesday June 18, 2013 3:50am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,267
Good insight. Thanks Mojo

Alcharod
302
Post #66
Tuesday June 18, 2013 4:01am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from Mojofc

To talk about Freddy Adu some more, since it apparently makes some people very upset... This is the Freddy Adu thread, if you don't want to hear about it, don't click it.

Moving on now.. Got a response from the guy Alcharod was speaking about.. the reporter who works on Bahia.

His name is Ivan Dias Marques and below is a summary of what he said:


He said Adu is training well. It's difficult for any foreigner to make it in Brazil. Said the team and coachs all like him and he gets along well with everyone.

Also, which we already know about.. the coaching change and the complaints from the fans about the politics within the club has made it an awkward moment within the club. New coach shows up and they had some pretty good performances, so Adu is trying to fight his way into the lineup now. Ivan thinks he will get his shot.

Ivan said he's happy that Bahia now has 20 days to train due to the Confederations Cup, it will give the new coach a better chance to get to know him better.

and last one I will quote directly.. 'Yeah, I think the main concern is Cristóvão understand how Adu can fit in brazilian style of playing. And, of course, in Bahia's style'


To top it off, the guy is cool and said we can get in touch with him anytime and he'd be happy to help us out if we had any questions.


Glad I could help...see I'm not so bad lol....

EKneezy
Post #67
Tuesday June 18, 2013 4:33am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,332
Wow thats cool to read. Just to clear the air I'm not an Adu hater, just dont understand the all the love he gets. But thanks for the read Mojo.

bjelks
Post #68
Tuesday June 18, 2013 3:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 145
He gets love because there are large portions of the American soccer public that want to see creative attacking football and guess what, he's the only player in the pool that's capable of producing it.

I love American football and other than a handfull of guys, the squad and JK's tactics put me to sleep and make it hard to support.
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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #69
Tuesday June 18, 2013 3:30pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 648
I think the main difference is that Adu has been talked about for years, all of those years without getting consistent playing time at his respective club or even really performing there. Granted, he hasn't been very lucky and possibly hasn't been given the chance to shine. That's my only problem with the Adu topic. I just feel like it's been beaten to DEATH. But hey, you guys can talk about whatever the hell you want. I just don't read the stuff anymore. At least not until he's called into camp. For me, as others have said, it's irrelevant.

Lilshmike
Post #70
Tuesday June 18, 2013 3:49pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 482
Original post from Fraser31

I think the main difference is that Adu has been talked about for years, all of those years without getting consistent playing time at his respective club or even really performing there. Granted, he hasn't been very lucky and possibly hasn't been given the chance to shine. That's my only problem with the Adu topic. I just feel like it's been beaten to DEATH. But hey, you guys can talk about whatever the hell you want. I just don't read the stuff anymore. At least not until he's called into camp. For me, as others have said, it's irrelevant.


Couldn't agree more. However...

Original post from bjelks

He gets love because there are large portions of the American soccer public that want to see creative attacking football and guess what, he's the only player in the pool that's capable of producing it.

I love American football and other than a handfull of guys, the squad and JK's tactics put me to sleep and make it hard to support.


I disagree to an extent.

People overlook him as that player, but Michael Bradley is pretty creative. I will start a thread on this.

Lilshmike
Post #71
Tuesday June 18, 2013 4:00pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 482
I just want to clarify (especially for you Alcharod), that I DO NOT HATE ADU. I would love to see him play well and get into the team and all, but realistically, it just is not going to happen (at least not yet). It is annoying to me when people hype him up and talk about him so much when he has yet to actually do something.

When he earns a call up, like he did last Gold Cup (HE EARNED IT with his club play, and he PLAYED WELL when Bradley put him in the games), I will welcome it. But in my opinion, until then, he is just another player in the USMNT pool that does not deserve to get a call.

He is not the only one. Multiple players have gotten call ups that don't deserve it, and I agree on that. You can make an argument for both sides on this tho.

But in reality, Adu has pretty bad (and by pretty bad, I mean REALLY BAD) fitness. His stamina is fairly low and he has had trouble for a while being able to maintain a full 90 minutes of play without struggling. TO ME, this is the #1 reason for his omission from the USMNT under Klinsmann.

Klinsmann has publicly stated that he chooses players based upon a number of factors, fitness being the most important. He has said that in order to be considered for the team (and for a starting spot on the team), players must be able to pass certain physical tests. I do not think that Adu (AT THIS CURRENT MOMENT) would be able to pass those tests. If he could, maybe he would get called in. But again, until that happens, he is just another average player in the USMNT pool...

muchadu
Post #72
Tuesday June 18, 2013 4:49pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 41
Like him or not. The fact remains that Freddy is a rare player for the USMNT that can run at defenders with the ball, create space, draw fouls leading to set pieces, play perfectly weighted balls to other offensive players and can be a dangerous threat to score. He also can provide great service on corner kicks and is dangerous on other set pieces. Dempsey's second goal against Germany was a very rare moment for US Soccer. By himself he created space beyond the top of the box and scored what could only be described as a "world class" goal.

Point is we don't have ANY players that can do that. Maybe now with the exception of Dempsey who has been playing side by side with Bale, who of course is one of the best players in the world. We need more of these quality offensive players to beat any of the top 15 teams in the world on a consistant basis. Otherwise we simply won't ever get over the hump and be able to play with the top teams at the World Cup period.

Find a place for Freddy, even it is not for the full 90 and watch the fireworks.

stone88
Post #73
Tuesday June 18, 2013 6:48pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 660
So sick of this debate. It has literally been going on for 8 years now. Freddy is 24 y/o now, and he isn't going to be US Soccer's savior, it just isn't going to happen. Looking at his run of form and his current playing time, in no way does he deserve to be called in. Plus, I don't know why people are stilll talking about him bringing creativity to the squad. In the last couple of games, we have seen the most creative attacking US team in years.

We don't need freddy. We need a better backline and an interested and motivated Landon Donovan.

Alcharod
302
Post #74
Tuesday June 18, 2013 7:16pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from stone88

So sick of this debate. It has literally been going on for 8 years now. Freddy is 24 y/o now, and he isn't going to be US Soccer's savior, it just isn't going to happen. Looking at his run of form and his current playing time, in no way does he deserve to be called in. Plus, I don't know why people are stilll talking about him bringing creativity to the squad. In the last couple of games, we have seen the most creative attacking US team in years.

We don't need freddy. We need a better backline and an interested and motivated Landon Donovan.


I'm sorry you had to go through such a TRAGIC brutal event. I truly hope they catch the man or woman who put that glock to your temple and made you click this thread. The violence is truly getting out of hand in this country smh.....

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #75
Tuesday June 18, 2013 7:30pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,096
It will be interesting to see if Adu can start lighting up the Brasilian league. I really hope he put's it all together in Brasil.

The guy is very talented no one can claim otherwise, but can Adu get out of his own way finally? That remains to be seen consistently. It would be nice to have Adu as an option for the USMNT, but he has to be playing effectively and consistently for Bahia in Klinsmann's opinion. Which is all that matters when it comes to selecting players for a game. Maybe he gets a call-up for the August friendly if Adu is playing well for Bahia.

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