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muchadu
Post #31
Tuesday May 21, 2013 10:44pm

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Original post from muchadu



Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #32
Wednesday May 22, 2013 1:20am

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from Alcharod

Ok here is my problem with what you stated to a point. I understand and agree that he should be bring a high skill set game to game. But I ask you...why is it ok for Brek Shea, Holden, Danny Williams, Parkhurst, Goodson, and Edu to be able to rarely play, or be average at best and get a shot of that USMNT Roster? Why does it always seem that with Adu, he must be Messi like to even be considered for a role with the team he has already proven to help?


Adu has been given multiple shots at the national team. Yes he has helped the team, but all of the players you mentioned have helped the team at one point or another. With the abilities that Adu possess he should have been a starter somewhere for a long time. It takes hard work to maintain a consistent high level of play, something we have never seen from Adu. Being bounced from team to team tells you something is wrong with the player, which I believe has probably been his work ethic. I really hope he can get his act together in Brazil because the USMNT could really use a hard working talented Adu.

SoccerGod
Clouds, Heaven
Post #33
Wednesday May 22, 2013 2:43am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from muchadu

@Alcarod So here I do agree with you entirely. Why does it seem if he doesnt play like Messi does he not get considered. It may be that Freddy is not a 90 minute player. As in, his stamina and physical prescence is not built for the entire game. However, if he were a starter and say be replaced later in a game after the USMNT could score early, that may be a good game plan. The USMNT has had trouble scoring first and scoring early in many games in the recent past. Also Freddy has been a late substitution for these reasons many times in his career and that really doesnt suit his style of game. He is definitely not a super sub type player.


So what your saying is that a player that hasn't played consistently at any club ever, who can't last a whole game, but also can't be substituted on, who averages 2.5 goals a year is the player that will definitely make the US score? Please tell us more...
For I am creator of all things soccer. Seek repentance or just beat Mexico, either will get you in up here.
Alcharod
302
Post #34
Wednesday May 22, 2013 3:33am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from muchadu

@Alcarod So here I do agree with you entirely. Why does it seem if he doesnt play like Messi does he not get considered. It may be that Freddy is not a 90 minute player. As in, his stamina and physical prescence is not built for the entire game. However, if he were a starter and say be replaced later in a game after the USMNT could score early, that may be a good game plan. The USMNT has had trouble scoring first and scoring early in many games in the recent past. Also Freddy has been a late substitution for these reasons many times in his career and that really doesnt suit his style of game. He is definitely not a super sub type player.


And I think that is what many haters think..that we just think Adu should start and play 90min. I for one have never said that...i know you believe he should start and thats fine. As for me, i honestly just believe he should be on the roster as a start or a sub. He's skill set can help in so many ways. Also I do believe that he needs to show us more while in brazil, and he has impressed for the limited amount of time he has played. So if he keeps it up, he will still has a year to at least get on the roster for the WC. I think he will be just fine. JK is inconsistent with who and choices and the criteria that brings them into the USMNT.

SoccerGod
Clouds, Heaven
Post #35
Wednesday May 22, 2013 5:04pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from Alcharod

And I think that is what many haters think..that we just think Adu should start and play 90min. I for one have never said that...i know you believe he should start and thats fine. As for me, i honestly just believe he should be on the roster as a start or a sub. He's skill set can help in so many ways. Also I do believe that he needs to show us more while in brazil, and he has impressed for the limited amount of time he has played. So if he keeps it up, he will still has a year to at least get on the roster for the WC. I think he will be just fine. JK is inconsistent with who and choices and the criteria that brings them into the USMNT.


I'm not a hater, but im not a lover of him either. I agree almost 100% with what you just said. If he shows consistent quality on the field I'd love to see him. Though Kilnsy makes some strange picks sometimes, I can see the players he does pick have at one time or another played consistently well for their respective club teams. Has Adu ever had more than 3 months of good consistent play anywhere ever? I think that's the major stumbling block for Freddy. If he can get a good 5-6 month run of form in a good Brazilian league I don't see why he wouldn't be called in.
For I am creator of all things soccer. Seek repentance or just beat Mexico, either will get you in up here.
muchadu
Post #36
Wednesday May 22, 2013 8:28pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 41
Original post from SoccerGod

So what your saying is that a player that hasn't played consistently at any club ever, who can't last a whole game, but also can't be substituted on, who averages 2.5 goals a year is the player that will definitely make the US score? Please tell us more...


So here is a final summary. First of all, we don't have and have never really had a true #10 player, which you so desperately need to have a chance of consistantly beating the top 15 teams in the world. All the other teams can be beaten on any given day in the world of football.

Without a player of Adu's qualities our offense stinks. Our offense is lame. Our offense is reduced to counter attacks and long inaccurate passes to our forwards. In other words, you have difficulty SCORING!! My problem with the USMNT is the connection between sometimes having a great defense and forwards with real potential but no adequate service. We even have good defensive middys. Just no attacking middys who can attack the quality defenses of the top ten teams in the world.

Whether or not a player is playing consistantly or how many complete games or consistant playing time he has is relevant for most players. It is not for Adu. We simply don't have a player of his quality at that particular position. He is a key that can unlock instant offense and chemistry for the USMNT. The challenge is how to fit him in at the beginning of a game, score and then if you need to go to a more defensive lineup if you are one or two goals up. I believe this is the recipe for success for WC 2014 for the USMNT. Quick before it's too late and we get bounced by Ghana again in a nightmare finish to Brazil 2014.

SoccerGod
Clouds, Heaven
Post #37
Wednesday May 22, 2013 10:53pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from muchadu

So here is a final summary. First of all, we don't have and have never really had a true #10 player, which you so desperately need to have a chance of consistantly beating the top 15 teams in the world. All the other teams can be beaten on any given day in the world of football.

Without a player of Adu's qualities our offense stinks. Our offense is lame. Our offense is reduced to counter attacks and long inaccurate passes to our forwards. In other words, you have difficulty SCORING!! My problem with the USMNT is the connection between sometimes having a great defense and forwards with real potential but no adequate service. We even have good defensive middys. Just no attacking middys who can attack the quality defenses of the top ten teams in the world.

Whether or not a player is playing consistantly or how many complete games or consistant playing time he has is relevant for most players. It is not for Adu. We simply don't have a player of his quality at that particular position. He is a key that can unlock instant offense and chemistry for the USMNT. The challenge is how to fit him in at the beginning of a game, score and then if you need to go to a more defensive lineup if you are one or two goals up. I believe this is the recipe for success for WC 2014 for the USMNT. Quick before it's too late and we get bounced by Ghana again in a nightmare finish to Brazil 2014.


Why is that not relevant for Adu? And what has he done that makes you think he can do all of these things? And I don't mean these questions in a condescending way, I'd really like to know what he has done for you to think this.
For I am creator of all things soccer. Seek repentance or just beat Mexico, either will get you in up here.
Riggity
Atlanta
Post #38
Thursday May 23, 2013 8:58am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 66
This is an obvious case or the "grass is always greener". It's natural to believe that a player like Adu who shows promising attacking quality can show up and make our team better but USUALLY for a player who has jumped from club to club for a decade that's not the case. If he can get some quality minutes now that Bahia has removed more than half their team I'm all for an eventual call up to see if he can change our fortune but I don't see our issues being solved by one single player.

Alcharod
302
Post #39
Thursday May 23, 2013 12:17pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from Riggity

This is an obvious case or the "grass is always greener". It's natural to believe that a player like Adu who shows promising attacking quality can show up and make our team better but USUALLY for a player who has jumped from club to club for a decade that's not the case. If he can get some quality minutes now that Bahia has removed more than half their team I'm all for an eventual call up to see if he can change our fortune but I don't see our issues being solved by one single player.


I agree, but I"m all for a call up right now...simply because brek shea, danny williams, holden, edu, goodson, and parkhurst also got call ups and none have done anything n months, and non are CAM that can actually get the ball to Clint and Altidore. If they deserve a chance surely he does to. Club jumper or not. Again if altidore is quoted as saying Adu is his favorite USMNT player to play with over others...thats saying something.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #40
Thursday May 23, 2013 2:25pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 922
Original post from SoccerGod

Why is that not relevant for Adu? And what has he done that makes you think he can do all of these things? And I don't mean these questions in a condescending way, I'd really like to know what he has done for you to think this.


The reason why people dont think club play is relevant to Adu is because his skillset is unique to the current USMNT. Look at 75-80% of his US games. Thats why people believe he should be apart of this team. When he gets the chance, he succeeds with a USMNT jersey on. He's just one of those players that elevates his game on the international level. He loves playing for his country. You cannot argue that. Now while I am an Adu advocate, I dont think he should of been called in anytime recently because he wasnt playing (which is why Shea, Williams, Parkhurst are headscratchers for this camp). But once he starts playing a bit more consistently, then I would bring him in.

When Klinsmann started as coach for the US, the thing that stuck out to me the most, and he preached it daily and still somewhat does, was when he said he wants players that, if they lose the ball, to track back and work to get the ball back and/or defend. You know what the best kind of defense is? Offense. If we have the ball and the other team doesnt, I'm pretty sure it will be difficult to score.

Its counterproductive to praise a player for tracking back and not hold him accountable for losing the ball in the first place.

Klinsmann continues to applaud players for hustling, for having a great work rate, for determination and having that fight in them. Those qualities really only show immediately after we lose the ball.

Alcharod
302
Post #41
Thursday May 23, 2013 3:11pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

The reason why people dont think club play is relevant to Adu is because his skillset is unique to the current USMNT. Look at 75-80% of his US games. Thats why people believe he should be apart of this team. When he gets the chance, he succeeds with a USMNT jersey on. He's just one of those players that elevates his game on the international level. He loves playing for his country. You cannot argue that. Now while I am an Adu advocate, I dont think he should of been called in anytime recently because he wasnt playing (which is why Shea, Williams, Parkhurst are headscratchers for this camp). But once he starts playing a bit more consistently, then I would bring him in.

When Klinsmann started as coach for the US, the thing that stuck out to me the most, and he preached it daily and still somewhat does, was when he said he wants players that, if they lose the ball, to track back and work to get the ball back and/or defend. You know what the best kind of defense is? Offense. If we have the ball and the other team doesnt, I'm pretty sure it will be difficult to score.

Its counterproductive to praise a player for tracking back and not hold him accountable for losing the ball in the first place.

Klinsmann continues to applaud players for hustling, for having a great work rate, for determination and having that fight in them. Those qualities really only show immediately after we lose the ball.


Well Said

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #42
Thursday May 23, 2013 3:22pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

The reason why people dont think club play is relevant to Adu is because his skillset is unique to the current USMNT. Look at 75-80% of his US games. Thats why people believe he should be apart of this team. When he gets the chance, he succeeds with a USMNT jersey on. He's just one of those players that elevates his game on the international level. He loves playing for his country. You cannot argue that. Now while I am an Adu advocate, I dont think he should of been called in anytime recently because he wasnt playing (which is why Shea, Williams, Parkhurst are headscratchers for this camp). But once he starts playing a bit more consistently, then I would bring him in.

When Klinsmann started as coach for the US, the thing that stuck out to me the most, and he preached it daily and still somewhat does, was when he said he wants players that, if they lose the ball, to track back and work to get the ball back and/or defend. You know what the best kind of defense is? Offense. If we have the ball and the other team doesnt, I'm pretty sure it will be difficult to score.

Its counterproductive to praise a player for tracking back and not hold him accountable for losing the ball in the first place.

Klinsmann continues to applaud players for hustling, for having a great work rate, for determination and having that fight in them. Those qualities really only show immediately after we lose the ball.


Very well said. There's no reason the GC shouldnt prove his potential worth.. or just put him in his place as a let down.

skangles
DC
Post #43
Sunday June 16, 2013 3:03pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,855
I was curious how Freddy was doing in Bahia so I checked the box scores. He hasn't played in their last four games, two of which he didn't dress. His last appearance was on May 26 where he came on in the 86th minute.

Looks like this is turning into another bad situation. There is a several week break now, hopefully Freddy pulls it together during his time off.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #44
Sunday June 16, 2013 4:55pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,847
Freddy is just another case of a player that was a very good youth player, but just hasn't done anything as a senior player at club nor international.

He is still young, so maybe he starts to do something in the next few years.

There are tons of talented players at the youth level for many countries that just never pan out. it's looking more like Adu is falling into that category.

tylercocinas
Post #45
Sunday June 16, 2013 5:51pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 704
The Brazilian Serie A is on break for Confed Cup now but we need to accept that this might be his fate. No disrespect to him but Ipersonally think that he is a player who needs to have god hand held if you will, to succeed.

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