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Post #16
Wednesday May 8, 2013 11:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Mojofc

Yes I realize everyone says this, and I also realize it's a joke because it's not true.

It's just a compliment of the way he manages other teams and refs by simple words. The timing and words used by him at press conferences in order to change future game outcomes is unmatched by anyone. He got in the heads of refs and managers alike. Truly an amazing person.

He may have not been a true tactician as far as lineups go in a per game basis as some say (I learned not to challenge his lineups though, he proved so many people wrong over the years with his lineup choices), but he certainly is/was the best tactician off the field.


Somewhat of a joke....but look up debatable decisions...Man U has had very important calls made in their favor numerous times per year for quite some time now. Not a true tactician as far as lineups and adjustments...I wouldn't call him an amazing person, amazing manager yes, person not so much.

Mojofc
Post #17
Thursday May 9, 2013 1:03am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 687
Only United enemies would say he's not a good person, if you look into his past, he truly is remarkable. I don't expect a pool fan to like or understand him, that's not intended as an offense towards you. It's the same reason as I could never like Rafa as a person.

All teams have many dubious calls for/against their team over the coarse of a season. Typically the better the team is the more likely it is for a ref to make a mistake. Refs are typically afraid of a mistake against a top squad, but less likely to be afraid of a mistake against a lesser squad. It just so happens United are always at the top, it comes with the territory. This happens in every league across the world, it's not down to United versus the rest.. that's way off. Every top team across the world will get better calls than the weaker. It's part of the sport and an unintended consequence of having humans make decisions that effect the game itself.

Anyways... I'll no longer debate him. All in all, no one will do for their team what he has done for United likely again in our lifetimes.

Go US of A.
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USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #18
Thursday May 9, 2013 1:19am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,199
Original post from Mojofc

Only United enemies would say he's not a good person, if you look into his past, he truly is remarkable. I don't expect a pool fan to like or understand him, that's not intended as an offense towards you. It's the same reason as I could never like Rafa as a person.

All teams have many dubious calls for/against their team over the coarse of a season. Typically the better the team is the more likely it is for a ref to make a mistake. Refs are typically afraid of a mistake against a top squad, but less likely to be afraid of a mistake against a lesser squad. It just so happens United are always at the top, it comes with the territory. This happens in every league across the world, it's not down to United versus the rest.. that's way off. Every top team across the world will get better calls than the weaker. It's part of the sport and an unintended consequence of having humans make decisions that effect the game itself.

Anyways... I'll no longer debate him. All in all, no one will do for their team what he has done for United likely again in our lifetimes.

Go US of A.


Only United fans will look past his flaws...he bashes everyone, and you can call it mind games, but he takes it too far quite often. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/tea... can find many articles similar. Klopp has a good chance if he stays at Dortmund. Pep had a shot had he stayed at Barca. SAF resume is stacked with domestic trophies, there are many more managers that are more successful in European play.

dolcem
Post #19
Thursday May 9, 2013 8:55am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,064
Original post from Alcharod

Always hoped to see Fergie manage the England National Team before he retired....


Facepalm.

Would have liked to see him manage Aberdeen or even the Scottish national team for a couple years before he retired. That would've been awesome. Especially with Rangers not in the picture he might have been able to win something.

This is the biggest soccer news in a long-time and it's sad to see such a legend retire.

He definitely picked the right time to retire. ManU has been in decline since Ronaldo and Tevez left but SAF's managerial abilities and the leadership of a few veterans (Giggs and Scholes especially) kept things going. The thing is though they are in between generations. The older players are moving on but they don't have enough young talent to adequately replace them. ManU has not been a quality team at all the past two seasons. They've been woeful in the Champions League (except for the Real Madrid tie this year) and they play like crap in the league and always get bailed out by last-second heroics. This season they bought an injury-prone, aging striker with 1 year on his contract left for 24 million pounds. He bailed them out of so many games in the final minutes where ManU had played poorly (I forgot the stat but RVP's goals in the final 5 minutes accounted for like 15 points in the first few months of the season). With Giggs and Scholes probably set to retire, RVP slowing down a lot, Kagawa injury-prone and frankly not good enough for ManU, Rooney having lost his passion (and I think he was always way overrated for being English, around 09-10 he was amazing but other than that was never a top 10 player), and Evra, Ferdinand, and Vidic near done, this team needs serious investment if it wants to compete in the Premiership and Champions League. Chelsea and City will be much better next season and I don't see ManU winning any trophies. I feel so bad for Moyes. He is the perfect man for the job but he'll be made the scapegoat when this team fails to win trophies.

The one thing I will say about Fergie though is that for most of those 26 years he had one of the biggest budgets in soccer...yet only won the Champions League twice (and got extremely lucky both times) and really only put together one or two really good teams ('99 team and maybe the '08 team). That's why I'm not sure if he is the best manager of all time.
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Post #20
Thursday May 9, 2013 2:13pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from dolcem

Facepalm.

Would have liked to see him manage Aberdeen or even the Scottish national team for a couple years before he retired. That would've been awesome. Especially with Rangers not in the picture he might have been able to win something.

This is the biggest soccer news in a long-time and it's sad to see such a legend retire.

He definitely picked the right time to retire. ManU has been in decline since Ronaldo and Tevez left but SAF's managerial abilities and the leadership of a few veterans (Giggs and Scholes especially) kept things going. The thing is though they are in between generations. The older players are moving on but they don't have enough young talent to adequately replace them. ManU has not been a quality team at all the past two seasons. They've been woeful in the Champions League (except for the Real Madrid tie this year) and they play like crap in the league and always get bailed out by last-second heroics. This season they bought an injury-prone, aging striker with 1 year on his contract left for 24 million pounds. He bailed them out of so many games in the final minutes where ManU had played poorly (I forgot the stat but RVP's goals in the final 5 minutes accounted for like 15 points in the first few months of the season). With Giggs and Scholes probably set to retire, RVP slowing down a lot, Kagawa injury-prone and frankly not good enough for ManU, Rooney having lost his passion (and I think he was always way overrated for being English, around 09-10 he was amazing but other than that was never a top 10 player), and Evra, Ferdinand, and Vidic near done, this team needs serious investment if it wants to compete in the Premiership and Champions League. Chelsea and City will be much better next season and I don't see ManU winning any trophies. I feel so bad for Moyes. He is the perfect man for the job but he'll be made the scapegoat when this team fails to win trophies.

The one thing I will say about Fergie though is that for most of those 26 years he had one of the biggest budgets in soccer...yet only won the Champions League twice (and got extremely lucky both times) and really only put together one or two really good teams ('99 team and maybe the '08 team). That's why I'm not sure if he is the best manager of all time.


Jesus Christ before you go on for hours how about you look at what the convo before your "Facepalm" said...we all know he's Scottish...What you clearly did not read is the fact that I said it would be nice to see the English National Team relevant again. POINT BLANK. What is he going to do with the Scottish team besides lose to the US and other lower level squads. That's like Jordan coming back to the Wizards and looking stupid....Why tarnish such a great career just to go back to your "Homeland" and get your ass kicked... If pride over common sense... no bueno....

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #21
Thursday May 9, 2013 3:00pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 331
Original post from Alcharod

Jesus Christ before you go on for hours how about you look at what the convo before your "Facepalm" said...we all know he's Scottish...What you clearly did not read is the fact that I said it would be nice to see the English National Team relevant again. POINT BLANK. What is he going to do with the Scottish team besides lose to the US and other lower level squads. That's like Jordan coming back to the Wizards and looking stupid....Why tarnish such a great career just to go back to your "Homeland" and get your ass kicked... If pride over common sense... no bueno....

I know this is not the argument....but I couldn't resist. To be fair, Jordan's numbers with the Wiz were actually pretty damn good. Considering his age and the lack of talent on that team. He still averaged over 20ppg in both seasons. His baseball career however, that was "looking stupid".
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #22
Thursday May 9, 2013 4:17pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,255
Roberto Martinez to Everton? Thats about the only manager that I can think of that can handle stringent budgets.

dolcem
Post #23
Thursday May 9, 2013 8:21pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,064
Original post from Alcharod

Always hoped to see Fergie manage the England National Team before he retired....


Original post from Alcharod

Jesus Christ before you go on for hours how about you look at what the convo before your "Facepalm" said...we all know he's Scottish...What you clearly did not read is the fact that I said it would be nice to see the English National Team relevant again. POINT BLANK. What is he going to do with the Scottish team besides lose to the US and other lower level squads. That's like Jordan coming back to the Wizards and looking stupid....Why tarnish such a great career just to go back to your "Homeland" and get your ass kicked... If pride over common sense... no bueno....


Admit it, you didn't know he was Scottish. You said you always 'hoped' to see him manage the England National Team. But it's obvious that he never would happen. Why would you say you always hoped to see something happen that couldn't happen? I would love to see Jurgen Klopp manage the USNT but I don't say 'I hope' that happens because it won't.

Oh and your bit on Jordan is just so wrong. How can you compare an American basketball player with a European soccer manager? Enough with the American sports metaphors and examples...this is a soccer site. In soccer, players and managers often times go to their original leagues/teams at the end of their career (especially in countries like Argentina, and in America too, for that matter). It's not like there's one big league, like in the NBA, many players get their start in other places and make their way up one of the top 4 or 5 leagues. It wouldn't be inconceivable for a manger to do something like that at the end of his career. But Fergie's not the type...one reason I don't like him as much as someone like Moyes.
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SoccerGod
Clouds, Heaven
Post #24
Thursday May 9, 2013 9:01pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from Alcharod

Jesus Christ before you go on for hours how about you look at what the convo before your "Facepalm" said...we all know he's Scottish...What you clearly did not read is the fact that I said it would be nice to see the English National Team relevant again. POINT BLANK. What is he going to do with the Scottish team besides lose to the US and other lower level squads. That's like Jordan coming back to the Wizards and looking stupid....Why tarnish such a great career just to go back to your "Homeland" and get your ass kicked... If pride over common sense... no bueno....


First off don't use my/my sons name in vain. Second, writing words in all caps does not convey anything to me other than you must be around 15 and standing on your computer chair screaming POINT BLANK at your cats face. And third, you don't want him to coach Scotland and "tarnish" his career? But you think the England job, a team that's far from the other European teams, would be better? Oh Alcharod your logic is truly mesmerizing so let me leave you with this...

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