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Post #16
Wednesday May 8, 2013 4:51pm

Joined Aug 2011
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I'd have no problems playing Zusi in an important national team game against a good team. None whatsoever.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #17
Wednesday May 8, 2013 5:20pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 949
Original post from dolcem

You can't view the national team as a set of individual players that the coach must get the maximum performance out of and then blame him when it doesn't happen. Sometimes the system is great and you get guys playing much better than they do for their club teams. Other times the players don't complement each other well or there are missing pieces and they won't play well. That's the case for us right now. While everyone has a different opinion on what tactics/roster selection we should use (which also shows how difficult our situation is right now), I haven't seen a single line-up on here that doesn't have serious holes in it. Neither Guardiola nor Hiddink could get this group playing as well as the fans want, and an MLS coach certainly couldn't either.


Actually, you can blame the coach because he's the one that selects these players. The problem most people have with Klinsmann is he keeps picking the pound-for-pound best US players, but fails to put together a team that makes sense on the field. I'd rather take my chances with lesser known wide players that understand their position, than having to suffer with guys like Gomez and Johnson playing those spots. This is why we dont see the club stats translate to the national team.

BUT with that said, we saw some progression, albeit in extenuating circumstances, against CR and Mex. Now with Donovan available, we'll hopefully see one less CM called in. Its too bad Chandler got hurt because he would of benefited greatly with Donovan on the field.

rainORshine
Post #18
Wednesday May 8, 2013 5:47pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,781
Original post from dolcem

Sure. Call me when Zusi makes it out of MLS or does anything at the international level (excluding CONCACAF opposition). Especially on the wing.


truly amazing. impressive really

1) defend every decision JK makes
2) identify players JK does use as being played out of position or just not very good
3) identify players who you feel ARE "international level" (like torres, boyd?, kljestan?) who dont really play because they dont fit into "system"
4) defend every decision JK makes

its like a magic trick

for last few months zusi has really been ONLY legit option to play wide in JKs system. LD makes 2.

if you dont have the players to run the system you want, you have got to at least develop an alternative strategy, if not change the primary strategy, to incorporate all the talent at your disposal

dolcem
Post #19
Thursday May 9, 2013 7:50am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Actually, you can blame the coach because he's the one that selects these players. The problem most people have with Klinsmann is he keeps picking the pound-for-pound best US players, but fails to put together a team that makes sense on the field. I'd rather take my chances with lesser known wide players that understand their position, than having to suffer with guys like Gomez and Johnson playing those spots. This is why we dont see the club stats translate to the national team.

BUT with that said, we saw some progression, albeit in extenuating circumstances, against CR and Mex. Now with Donovan available, we'll hopefully see one less CM called in. Its too bad Chandler got hurt because he would of benefited greatly with Donovan on the field.


I definitely agree with your premise. However, I don't see it as Klinsmann's fault...no one could put together a team with these guys that makes sense. our 'lesser known wide players' just don't deserve to be anywhere near the NT. I like Brad Davis but he's just in over his head. My guess is that Klinsmann is waiting for Donovan to come back and for either Shea, Adu, Gyau, Gatt, etc. to step up. The sad thing is that's probably not going to happen and I have no idea who our other attacking mid is. Donovan and Dempsey by '14 will have lost a step and I don't see them as wingers in a 4-3-3. And if we use a 4-5-1 we need one other attacking midfielder (and another for the bench). I have no idea who that would be...maybe Eddie Johnson? It's depressing to think about.

Original post from rainORshine

truly amazing. impressive really

1) defend every decision JK makes
2) identify players JK does use as being played out of position or just not very good
3) identify players who you feel ARE "international level" (like torres, boyd?, kljestan?) who dont really play because they dont fit into "system"
4) defend every decision JK makes

its like a magic trick

for last few months zusi has really been ONLY legit option to play wide in JKs system. LD makes 2.

if you dont have the players to run the system you want, you have got to at least develop an alternative strategy, if not change the primary strategy, to incorporate all the talent at your disposal


KLINSMANN ALREADY TRIED YOUR IDEA. We tried playing without wide players. And we looked horrible. I'm not opposed to see him trying it again but you can't call for the coach's head just because he tried your lineup and then abandoned it when it failed.

I don't agree with 'every decision he makes' but I don't write 500 posts about it every time I do disagree. I don't think my opinion is so valuable that I spam it all over the forum.
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Ten-Towns
Post #20
Thursday May 9, 2013 3:08pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,118
Original post from dolcem

I definitely agree with your premise. However, I don't see it as Klinsmann's fault...no one could put together a team with these guys that makes sense. our 'lesser known wide players' just don't deserve to be anywhere near the NT. I like Brad Davis but he's just in over his head. My guess is that Klinsmann is waiting for Donovan to come back and for either Shea, Adu, Gyau, Gatt, etc. to step up. The sad thing is that's probably not going to happen and I have no idea who our other attacking mid is. Donovan and Dempsey by '14 will have lost a step and I don't see them as wingers in a 4-3-3. And if we use a 4-5-1 we need one other attacking midfielder (and another for the bench). I have no idea who that would be...maybe Eddie Johnson? It's depressing to think about.

KLINSMANN ALREADY TRIED YOUR IDEA. We tried playing without wide players. And we looked horrible. I'm not opposed to see him trying it again but you can't call for the coach's head just because he tried your lineup and then abandoned it when it failed.

I don't agree with 'every decision he makes' but I don't write 500 posts about it every time I do disagree. I don't think my opinion is so valuable that I spam it all over the forum.


Hhahahah- "Spam it all over the forum." Awesome line.

rainORshine
Post #21
Thursday May 9, 2013 3:39pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,781
Original post from dolcem

KLINSMANN ALREADY TRIED YOUR IDEA. We tried playing without wide players. And we looked horrible. I'm not opposed to see him trying it again but you can't call for the coach's head just because he tried your lineup and then abandoned it when it failed.



KLINSMANN has already tried...

bradley-kljestan-jones...

??

i happen to feel like player selection matters

i guess you are saying you feel it does not

rainORshine
Post #22
Thursday May 9, 2013 6:26pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,781
to get this back on subject (hey, i didnt start the zusi thing)...

i find it odd that everyone seems to think cherundolo is the LIKELY starter in brazil based on:

- will turn 35 in feb.
- has played more than 65 minutes twice so far this year
- has been healthy enough to make 18, but not playing last couple weeks (unused sub). he was pulled out mid-game a few weeks ago when hannover was getting mauled by bayern and had not returned to field since

obviously he is in the mix, but by no means is he a lock maintain starting job for another full year.

luckily with chandler AND cameron, there are several decent options

Footyskillz
Arlington, VA
Post #23
Friday May 10, 2013 12:00pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 291
Funny that neither Chandler nor Cameron are straight up RB's. Not natural position. Just makes me chuckle.
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