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Mojofc
Post #46
Saturday May 4, 2013 2:45pm

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and Bolton miss out... Leicester scores in extra time to win 3-2. Had that game ended 2-2, Bolton would have been in the playoffs.

Bolton ended up with a draw 2-2.

Tim Ream played 90' but did not finish the game.

Holden did not make it off the bench.

Another season in the Championship..
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rainORshine
Post #47
Saturday May 4, 2013 3:17pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from Mojofc

Another season in the Championship..


for bolton, yes. holden, we will see. obviously he has not jumped at their contract offer. probably on the low side. wouldnt be at all surprised if MLS were pursuing him seriously.

i think staying at bolton would probably be a good situation, but clearly he is sorting out his options,,,

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #48
Saturday May 4, 2013 5:24pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

for bolton, yes. holden, we will see. obviously he has not jumped at their contract offer. probably on the low side. wouldnt be at all surprised if MLS were pursuing him seriously.

i think staying at bolton would probably be a good situation, but clearly he is sorting out his options,,,


Absolutely NO way he comes back to the MLS anytime soon. Maybe if he gets enough PT in the May/June games and GC, he will show enough that maybe one of the promoting teams will take a chance on him. If not, a good first 5 months at Bolton will see him bought in January window.

tylercocinas
Post #49
Saturday May 4, 2013 5:54pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 755
Dougie Freedman talks a good game regarding wanting to keep Stu but he rarely used him. I understand he was coming back from injury earlier, but this man was playing 60+ minutes per match as recently as two weeks ago and has been training with the club for a few months now. Not to mention the player starting in front of him in the midfield is notorious for his lack of technical quality and vision on the pitch. If you're not going to utilize one of your top talents when the season is on the line then why stay?

I concur with USnLFC. One of the promoted teams will definitely take a chance on him, and if not them then certainly a lower table club will. I mean what would they have to lose? He's a known commodity in the EPL and if he shows he is ready to play at a high level again this summer I think its a no brainer.

rainORshine
Post #50
Saturday May 4, 2013 7:41pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Absolutely NO way he comes back to the MLS anytime soon. Maybe if he gets enough PT in the May/June games and GC, he will show enough that maybe one of the promoting teams will take a chance on him. If not, a good first 5 months at Bolton will see him bought in January window.


you say this as if championship is a clear step up from MLS. why would he not consider MLS if the $ was decent and he was all but guaranteed to start?

all i am saying is that his contract is up, he has not played 75+ minutes in a league game since march of 2011, and MLS would be silly not to at least make him a good offer.

you are talking as if going from championship to MLS would be some big step down. 7th place team in championship to MLS is basically a lateral move

better chance of upwards january move if he starts playing in MLS right now

rainORshine
Post #51
Saturday May 4, 2013 7:53pm

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actually, more i think about it... if i were stu holden i would sign on with MLS RIGHT NOW for this season only

get back at, and basically start from scratch. if bolton or whoever else wants him in january, great.

kid needs to get back on the bike ASAP, and MLS is easily his best option right now

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #52
Saturday May 4, 2013 8:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

you say this as if championship is a clear step up from MLS. why would he not consider MLS if the $ was decent and he was all but guaranteed to start?

all i am saying is that his contract is up, he has not played 75+ minutes in a league game since march of 2011, and MLS would be silly not to at least make him a good offer.

you are talking as if going from championship to MLS would be some big step down. 7th place team in championship to MLS is basically a lateral move

better chance of upwards january move if he starts playing in MLS right now


Put aside the quality of play argument though I believe the Championship is at least on par with the MLS as a whole. It will be MUCH easier for him to move back into the EPL by staying in the Championship, clubs there are much more likely to sell Holden back to EPL clubs should they come calling in January than the MLS. He will get enough exposure playing for the Nats in the summer and then starting for Bolton in August throughout.

rainORshine
Post #53
Saturday May 4, 2013 8:32pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Put aside the quality of play argument though I believe the Championship is at least on par with the MLS as a whole. It will be MUCH easier for him to move back into the EPL by staying in the Championship, clubs there are much more likely to sell Holden back to EPL clubs should they come calling in January than the MLS. He will get enough exposure playing for the Nats in the summer and then starting for Bolton in August throughout.


debatable whether he would be more likely to get a transfer from bolton, than say houston

but that would be dependent on him actually playing with bolton, which has basically not happened yet

he could probably mind MLS team that would start him as soon as next weekend

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #54
Saturday May 4, 2013 8:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

debatable whether he would be more likely to get a transfer from bolton, than say houston

but that would be dependent on him actually playing with bolton, which has basically not happened yet

he could probably mind MLS team that would start him as soon as next weekend


Why would he do that??? He will be with the Nats for most of time up till the start of the next Championship season. The May Camp will most likely start in two weeks, then he will be with the squad throughout the friendlies and the WCQ, then straight into the camp for the Gold Cup and in the squad for the Gold Cup. As soon as the Gold Cup has ended, Bolton's preseason training/games would have already begun. He will resign with Bolton most likely and the reason they didn't play him, my guess, was 1. they had been playing well since Freedman took over 2. ensure that teams wouldn't try to poach Holden, and he would resign with Bolton because there wouldn't be many options risking signing him off his injury.

rainORshine
Post #55
Saturday May 4, 2013 9:17pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Why would he do that??? He will be with the Nats for most of time up till the start of the next Championship season. The May Camp will most likely start in two weeks, then he will be with the squad throughout the friendlies and the WCQ, then straight into the camp for the Gold Cup and in the squad for the Gold Cup. As soon as the Gold Cup has ended, Bolton's preseason training/games would have already begun. He will resign with Bolton most likely and the reason they didn't play him, my guess, was 1. they had been playing well since Freedman took over 2. ensure that teams wouldn't try to poach Holden, and he would resign with Bolton because there wouldn't be many options risking signing him off his injury.


if the offer from bolton was good he would have signed already. at the very least he will want MLS to make an offer so he can use it as leverage

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #56
Saturday May 4, 2013 9:39pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

if the offer from bolton was good he would have signed already. at the very least he will want MLS to make an offer so he can use it as leverage


Or might not have anything to do with Bolton, most definitely not the MLS, it could be the offer is good but seeing as there is no rush, he could be waiting till after the Gold Cup to see if any EPL teams come calling.

SoccerGod
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Post #57
Sunday May 5, 2013 12:12am

Joined Apr 2013
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Or might not have anything to do with Bolton, most definitely not the MLS, it could be the offer is good but seeing as there is no rush, he could be waiting till after the Gold Cup to see if any EPL teams come calling.


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rainORshine
Post #58
Sunday May 5, 2013 3:17am

Joined Dec 2012
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yea, im sure 2 years out with injury has not affected his stock at all and EPL teams are lining up for him

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #59
Sunday May 5, 2013 3:37am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

yea, im sure 2 years out with injury has not affected his stock at all and EPL teams are lining up for him


Comprehension seems like a problem on this board.....did I ever say EPL teamS would be LINING up for him after not seeing him play??? Nope. I said he could be waiting till after the Gold Cup where it seems he will get some PT in the friendlies in May and maybe the WCQs...and if not at least 3-6 games at the Gold Cup. It might be enough for a bottom tier EPL club or a newly promoted club to give him a shot on 1. if he shows good form and performs in those games 2. given number 1 with the knowledge of what he was able to do prior....mainly because they won't have to fork out any transfer fee, maybe a one year deal with low salary with add ons...low risk high reward, seems like something a lot of those clubs would do given their financial situations.

joey11
Post #60
Sunday May 5, 2013 3:08pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 160
I believe he'll sign a deal in England but where? He'd be an asset for those promoted, Hull or Cardiff, or those who bottom end of table just escaping relegation, Villa, etc. A possibility for a team who may want him but aren't sure of is recovery, sign him then do a short time loan with a MLS team so he gets match fit and they get a real good look.The May/June camps and Gold Cup won't answer the questions. Anyone can look good in a practice situation and would he be 90 minutes fit for Gold Cup? don't rush him back to the national team that could hurt him, physically and professionally.

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