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MSantoine
Post #1
Thursday May 2, 2013 9:13pm

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Not sure if this ever got attention or not but was recently retweeted by an ESPN columnist so I thought Id bring it up. World Soccer magazine recently ranked all the domestic leagues on a number of factors including attendance, league competitiveness, league infrastructure, along with player skill and managerial quality. In their rankings MLS came out as the 7th best league in the world. Behind only the big 4, Brazil, and Mexico. Ahead of netherlands, France, Russia, Portugal, Argentina, and more. Now thats not saying that the quality of players is better than those leagues, just that when you take into account financial stability, attendance, and other factors, its already one of the top leagues in the world. Pretty impressive.

Bshredder
Post #2
Thursday May 2, 2013 9:31pm

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Great news.

Is MLS the 7th best league in the World? No. But perception in these things is very important

MLS is being built for the long term and the foundation being put into place is wise.

The key components of this foundation are

1) regulations to prevent out of control spending. Seriously, so many big teams in Europe lose lots of money and it's not healthy. Even modest sized clubs who have won titles (Bondby, Stabaek) are almost done

2) first rate stadiums

3) easy access to watch (try watching an EPL game or Championship game in England)

4) gradual investment in youth development

It's not happening as fast as many would like but the league is doing so many things the right way. It's also much better than a lot of American Eurosnobs give it credit for. I would even guess its more respected abroad than here

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #3
Thursday May 2, 2013 9:44pm

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2) First rate stadiums

This is the most important key to the success of MLS. "If you build it they will come"

Cheap Ownership will ruin this league. If you're an owner that wants to build a stadium out in the suburbs than you dont deserve owning MLS team.

Seattle and Portland "Downtown stadiums" have the most successful fan base

Bshredder
Post #4
Thursday May 2, 2013 10:03pm

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Another think key to MLS is the parity element. For example, in many European leagues the same teams are strong every year and it doesn't reflect the strength of the league. This is why I don't trust coefficients. Only the top teams play in Europe anyway.

In Denmark, Copenhagen are usually always the favorites. Scotland was always only a 2 team league and now it is a one team league. But in many leagues, the best players always go to the best teams.

In MLS, it's different and there is forced parity. There's some bad and some good with this but it does make it more difficult to judge the league. But the fact that there is a dominant team(s) year after year makes MLS tough to rate in terms of quality of play.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #5
Thursday May 2, 2013 10:18pm

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Love my MLS. Next 10 years are crucial for MLS to burst into stardom as a league.

rainORshine
Post #6
Thursday May 2, 2013 10:25pm

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i agree that MLS parity is unique and a factor when trying to compare. seems like Liga MX is somewhat similar. i like to think about it in terms of tiers, and here is how i see it... basically think MLS is that last tier and comparable to the other leagues in that group

i am guessing folks on this board think i have MLS too low, but i think this is a pretty objective take,,,

La Liga
EPL
Bundesliga

Brazil
Italy
France
Portugal

Argentina
Ukraine
Russia
Netherlands
Mexico

Turkey
Belgium
Greece

Bund. 2
Segunda
Swiss
Cyprus
Denmark
Austria
Championship
MLS

JFORD
Post #7
Thursday May 2, 2013 10:27pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from Bshredder

Another think key to MLS is the parity element. For example, in many European leagues the same teams are strong every year and it doesn't reflect the strength of the league. This is why I don't trust coefficients. Only the top teams play in Europe anyway.

In Denmark, Copenhagen are usually always the favorites. Scotland was always only a 2 team league and now it is a one team league. But in many leagues, the best players always go to the best teams.

In MLS, it's different and there is forced parity. There's some bad and some good with this but it does make it more difficult to judge the league. But the fact that there is a dominant team(s) year after year makes MLS tough to rate in terms of quality of play.


I completely agree with you. I don't know why americans always underrate MLS and the american soccer. Soccer in America is going very well and have a bright future ahead.

admsghs27
Post #8
Thursday May 2, 2013 11:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
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1. Bundesliga 2. La liga 3. Serie A 4. Brazil league 5. Epl 6. French ligue 7. Liga mx 8. Mls. 9. Portugal league 10. Argentina league..

JFORD
Post #9
Friday May 3, 2013 12:42am

Joined Jul 2012
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Are you crazy. There no place in universe where Brazilian league is the 4th better in the world. People here NEVER EVER watched a match in Campeonato Brasileiro and overrate this. The average attendance in Brazil is worst than in MLS, the stadiums are all oldfashioned (now with WC they are trying to reform or build new arenas), there's horrible teams. The best brazilian players are almost all in Europe (80%-90% of them). And those who are back to Brazil were normally struggled in get playing time in Europe. So watch matches before telling this.

admsghs27
Post #10
Friday May 3, 2013 12:59am

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Original post from JFORD

Are you crazy. There no place in universe where Brazilian league is the 4th better in the world. People here NEVER EVER watched a match in Campeonato Brasileiro and overrate this. The average attendance in Brazil is worst than in MLS, the stadiums are all oldfashioned (now with WC they are trying to reform or build new arenas), there's horrible teams. The best brazilian players are almost all in Europe (80%-90% of them). And those who are back to Brazil were normally struggled in get playing time in Europe. So watch matches before telling this.
I bet an all Brazil league squad can compete for a wc, and be a top 10 team world wide.. Is the players and talent they have.. And they prove it in tournaments such as the FIFA club wc.. I remember them beating a mostly European base USA team 4-1 and most of their players play in Brazil,.such as neymar, pato,, ronaldinho, ganso, kleber, dimao ext....

JFORD
Post #11
Friday May 3, 2013 1:55am

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KKKKKKKKKKKK. A Brazilian league squad not even can win Chile league squad. Brazilian soccer is in a bad moment. Brazil is not among the best national teams in the world, Mano Menezes was fired because he couldn't find an way to put Brazil on right course. Felipćo was hired with a few time to Confederations Cup to find an ideal national team and until now he did not get it. Brazil didn't win none important match in the last years. Among the supporters and the media in Brazil the disbelief in the national team is total. As I said nobody here is following Brazilian soccer.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/269823,neymar-...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/...

http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/selecao...

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-25-not-so-fri...

admsghs27
Post #12
Friday May 3, 2013 2:16am

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Im not fallowing their league either just saying their a top 5 league... their national team is on a funk but they are still playing good... Wouldnt be suprise if they win the confed cup again...

dolcem
Post #13
Friday May 3, 2013 9:51am

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Well in terms of attendance, stadiums, parity, etc. MLS is great. In terms of quality it is getting better, more than the eurosnobs give it credit for. But a lot of its fans overrate it (naturally, happens with fans in every country). It has a lot of good athletes and solid players (guys like Cameron and Kamara going right to the EPL, for example) but the overall quality of play still needs improvement. Hopefully it becomes more of a focus for the powers that be. When owners pick players like Cahill over Guti, it shows that they either don't understand or don't care about the on-the-field product. Also, we need to continue to focus on youth development. We're getting better in that department but it's arguably the most important thing for the league and especially the national team. We're producing more and more solid players, which is why the league is getting better, but the best of the best aren't really improving. The MLS produced Dempsey, Bradley, and Altidore over the past decade but are those guys really much better than Reyna, Ramos, Lalas, etc. who came from the stone age of American soccer? We were all expecting one or two really good players by now and it hasn't happened yet. But hopefully the budding academy system will start to produce really quality players soon.

Rain:

The Argentine league is much better than the Portuguese league. Sure Benfica and Porto could beat any Argentine teams but the rest of the league is utter crap. In Argentina the best players leave so there aren't any great teams but the quality of the league from top to bottom is top notch. Overall it's much better than the Portuguese league.

Original post from admsghs27

1. Bundesliga 2. La liga 3. Serie A 4. Brazil league 5. Epl 6. French ligue 7. Liga mx 8. Mls. 9. Portugal league 10. Argentina league..


I'm sorry, what? Liga MX is NOT better than the Argentine league...where would you get an idea like that? They haven't even won a Libertadores. Yes Xolos beat Boca twice, but that's only two games, and some of the most embarrassing in Boca's history. And it's certainly not better than the Portuguese league, which in turn is not better than the Argentine league (see above).

And MLS being better than the Portuguese league and the Argentine league????????? Are you out of your mind????????? I can count on two, maybe even one hand the amount of American players ever who were skilled enough to play in Argentina. A 38 year old Schellotto was the MVP a couple seasons back after he was way too old to play in Argentina. I was in Argentina at the time and when people asked me about him and I said "he's the best player in the league" they all got this sort of awkward look on their faces. It was a bit embarassing actually. And the Portuguese league has teams that do very well in the UEFA Champions League...we can't even win a CONCACAF Champions League. I don't mean to pick on you but there is just too much wrong with that list to not say anything.
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MSantoine
Post #14
Friday May 3, 2013 11:39am

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Original post from dolcem

And MLS being better than the Portuguese league and the Argentine league????????? Are you out of your mind????????? I can count on two, maybe even one hand the amount of American players ever who were skilled enough to play in Argentina. A 38 year old Schellotto was the MVP a couple seasons back after he was way too old to play in Argentina. I was in Argentina at the time and when people asked me about him and I said "he's the best player in the league" they all got this sort of awkward look on their faces. It was a bit embarassing actually. And the Portuguese league has teams that do very well in the UEFA Champions League...we can't even win a CONCACAF Champions League. I don't mean to pick on you but there is just too much wrong with that list to not say anything.


As stated above. There are teams in Portugal, Argentina, Netherlands, France, that would beat every MLS team 9 times out of 10. However, every MLS team would probably beat 3-4, maybe even more, teams in those leagues 9 times out of 10 ( maybe DC 7 Revs not counted). The Portugese League is a joke. Its Benfica and Porto and thats it. Seriously. Estoril, Guimares, or Sporting Lisbon will qualify for Europe next season. Combined those 3 teams are a -7 in goal differential (a fairly accurate assessment of a teams skill). They have combine for 30 wins out of 81 games. Barely over 1 in 3 wins. And those are your 5-7 teams.

Again its not saying the players in MLS are better than the players in Portugal, or Argentina, etc, just that the league itself is better, or in otherwords has a beter business model and better financial plan. All things that lead to improvement instead of decline (which some of those Euro Leagues such as Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Greece) seem to be doing

rainORshine
Post #15
Friday May 3, 2013 3:05pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

As stated above. There are teams in Portugal, Argentina, Netherlands, France, that would beat every MLS team 9 times out of 10. However, every MLS team would probably beat 3-4, maybe even more, teams in those leagues 9 times out of 10 ( maybe DC 7 Revs not counted). The Portugese League is a joke. Its Benfica and Porto and thats it. Seriously. Estoril, Guimares, or Sporting Lisbon will qualify for Europe next season. Combined those 3 teams are a -7 in goal differential (a fairly accurate assessment of a teams skill). They have combine for 30 wins out of 81 games. Barely over 1 in 3 wins. And those are your 5-7 teams.

Again its not saying the players in MLS are better than the players in Portugal, or Argentina, etc, just that the league itself is better, or in otherwords has a beter business model and better financial plan. All things that lead to improvement instead of decline (which some of those Euro Leagues such as Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Greece) seem to be doing


purely in terms of soccer quality, this is an extremely weak argument. just because porto and benfica are 2 of the better teams and dominate the league does not neccessarily mean the rest of the league is a joke. that is just not a logical argument.

there are currently 10 portugese teams ranked in top 135 of UEFA based on results in eurpoean play over last few years, which is why they are ranked 6th in europe.

saying the 6th best league in europe is a joke and that the overall quality in MLS is better is absolutely ridiculous

argentina does better than mexico in copa lib with many different teams alternately doing well. we know mexico is a couple steps above MLS in quality. obviously, then, the quality in argentina is WELL ahead of MLS

please try not to let bias blur objectivity

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