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dolcem
Post #31
Friday April 26, 2013 6:23am

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Original post from acahmed14

doesnt kljestan play more of a defensive midfielder for club? Im gonna get slaughtered for saying this but our problem is Dempsey. He doesn't really create anything. i really think altidore would flourish with a real offensive midfielder behind him wether it would be corona, feilhaber, adu i even prefer donovan in that postion. not saying he isnt good just not good for the usa in that postion when we dont have the wings for him and altidore to play off of.


I think there is some truth to what you're saying. Dempsey creates for himself, not for others. He's a very unconventional player, sort of a poacher winger. He could play on most teams in the world. But if you put him on a team where he doesn't have much offensive talent around him, he looks pretty pedestrian. Although he scored lots of goals for Fulham...maybe we need to watch a lot of Fulham games to see how to get production out of him. But let's be honest and say that he's never really produced for the national team what he has at the club level. I think if we had more offensive talent around him he'd play better but we're desperately lacking it at the moment.

To the topic at hand, I think we all have a player or two that we're biased towards. Alcharod has Adu. Rain has Klejstan. That one kid has Omar Gonzalez. I have Torres. I think the key thing though is recognizing that this is a matter of personal preference and that it doesn't mean it's 100% objective. This means that you shouldn't a)mention it over and over again in your posts, b)try to back it up as fact (especially with using statistics, which aren't all that useful in soccer, or c)call for the coach's head if he doesn't start your player.

We're off topic though, the OP is about the lack of American creativity. Which is a huge problem for us because you always need at least one or two creative players. And I don't think Dempsey or Donovan is that guy (as good as they are). Adu really is the only one in our pool that I've ever seen that has it. We've had good central midfielders like Reyna and Ramos, but I think they're more similar to Torres, for example, than Adu. Have we ever had a creative player in our player pool? Sadly I think Adu is the only creative player we've ever seen suit up for the senior team.

Why is this the case is a question we should all be asking ourselves. And IMO it has to do with the American style of play. Normally kids like Adu are taught not to be a "ballhog." As long as that's our traditional style of play we're not really going to produce any quality creative players.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
admsghs27
Post #32
Friday April 26, 2013 7:46am

Joined Nov 2012
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I dont get depressed anymore.. Thats been our style the past several years.. Unless we play islands or wakkk teams... other than that we are who we are.. I hope it changes.soon tho...

rainORshine
Post #33
Friday April 26, 2013 1:18pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from acahmed14

doesnt kljestan play more of a defensive midfielder for club? Im gonna get slaughtered for saying this but our problem is Dempsey. He doesn't really create anything. i really think altidore would flourish with a real offensive midfielder behind him wether it would be corona, feilhaber, adu i even prefer donovan in that postion. not saying he isnt good just not good for the usa in that postion when we dont have the wings for him and altidore to play off of.


yea, dempsey is not the problem. dempsey is basically a second forward. shoot first, pass second. not a problem

problem is you need to add a component to the central midfield to stimulate forward ball movement and creation

corona, feilhaber and adu are pretty far down the list.

donovan is an important piece and can fill different roles, including creation and stimulus out of midfield and could be a good candidate for a "CAM" position

other central creative option include kljestan, torres and zusi

no, kljestan is not a "defensive" player. yes he has defensive responsibilities but plays CM in a pretty basic 4-4-2. his background in MLS was essentially a pure play-maker/attacker and he is asked to do a lot of the creation/play-making for anderlecht.

only way to leave dempsey in central attacking role AND add stimulus to CM (if you want to keep bradley / jones pairing) is to play a 3-5-2

if only we had a couple decent wing-back options. oh, wait johnson and chandler might work there,,,

rainORshine
Post #34
Friday April 26, 2013 2:04pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from dolcem

To the topic at hand, I think we all have a player or two that we're biased towards. Alcharod has Adu. Rain has Klejstan. That one kid has Omar Gonzalez. I have Torres. I think the key thing though is recognizing that this is a matter of personal preference and that it doesn't mean it's 100% objective. This means that you shouldn't a)mention it over and over again in your posts, b)try to back it up as fact (especially with using statistics, which aren't all that useful in soccer, or c)call for the coach's head if he doesn't start your player.



to clarify i think LD, kljestan, torres and zusi are all good options to try in a CM role to complement bradley / jones with different element.

statistics are a very good way to evaluate offensive production. more advanced soccer countries PORE OVER statistical analysis. yet another area US is behind

who is calling for JK's head? not me. if he botches things in june there is a decent chance i will call for his head

dolcem
Post #35
Saturday April 27, 2013 12:36am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

to clarify i think LD, kljestan, torres and zusi are all good options to try in a CM role to complement bradley / jones with different element.

statistics are a very good way to evaluate offensive production. more advanced soccer countries PORE OVER statistical analysis. yet another area US is behind

who is calling for JK's head? not me. if he botches things in june there is a decent chance i will call for his head


Agree with the first sentence.

But the second is just completely untrue. More advanced soccer countries don't even look at statistics. At least the fans don't (I've only met one non-American fan ever who knew a lot about soccer stats, and I've been living and travelling abroad for a while now). Statistics in sports is an American thing, and I've noticed that it's something that Americans new to the sport usually try to bring up. The only Europeans attempting to use statistics seriously are the guys at Liverpool, who are attempting Moneyball thanks to the American ownership. But nowhere will you get people who try to rate midfielders just by comparing their (minimal) assist tallies. In order to decide if Klejstan or Bradley is better offensively you're going to have to watch them, not just look at the amount of assists they have.

And haven't you been calling for his thread? I mean you've been as vocal as anyone on here about how disappointed you are with him.
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bbakerxyz
Post #36
Saturday April 27, 2013 3:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Yeah, kinda retarded. The US invented managing teams by statistics. Moneyball? Hello? The last 10 years in US professional sports have seen most of the idiot former players removed from their GM posts and replaced by the geeks.

If the battle is over management I like the US's chances. But alas it is not. It's more about player development.

GD10
Post #37
Sunday May 12, 2013 11:03pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 240
Freddy Adu 3rd straight DNP, Mr. Adu Welcome to BUST TOWN population you!

coyb
Post #38
Sunday May 12, 2013 11:48pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 33
Original post from GD10

Freddy Adu 3rd straight DNP, Mr. Adu Welcome to BUST TOWN population you!


That seems a little early to call Adu in Brazil a bust don't yo think.

coyb
Post #39
Sunday May 12, 2013 11:48pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 33
*you

usry723
Augusta, GA
Post #40
Monday May 13, 2013 12:28am

Joined Mar 2012
Total Posts: 96
When I get depressed about our idiotic fanbase, I come here and read about Freddy Adu. And it gets worse.
Country > Club
GD10
Post #41
Monday May 13, 2013 2:57am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 240
Original post from coyb

That seems a little early to call Adu in Brazil a bust don't yo think.


his relegation team just got mauled 7-3 by local rivals Vitoria. he didn't even get much time against lower teams in Bainio championship teams not even the first division. Man I was a huge Adu fan but as the days go on man this guy is really is going no where.

Alcharod
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Post #42
Monday May 13, 2013 1:18pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
As you bash Adu, please understand that the fans of Bahia are outraged that he is not playing. Just check the local bahia sites. Get google Chrome so you can auto translate the Portuguese, and check the twitter feeds of Bahia fans.

MSantoine
Post #43
Monday May 13, 2013 3:24pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,182
I hope those writing off adu are writing off Shea as well. Both same age. Both getting same amount of pt with their new clubs. Not defending adu. Just want to make sure any Adu bashers can be held accountable.

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