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Loche Achles
Post #16
Thursday April 25, 2013 6:50pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 270
I think just based on club performance AND the not so stellar work of the USMNT right now that Kljestan at least deserves a chance to start. Zusi got his. Lots of guys have. I think its fair, with how well he is doing at a great team in a solid league. I don't see what we really have to lose. His issues used to be mostly defensive and right now that's where suddenly we click the best (that's how bad the offense is) so its worth a shot.

I think either him or Torres can get a look again based on current form. Torres didn't impress me one bit in the past but his form at Tigres, a great club, better than Pachuca, has been impressive and for his position he plays a lot in a strong midfield (always starting and usually getting very high minutes).

rainORshine
Post #17
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:05pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Kjestan plays at Anderlecht - a top 50 UEFA team and better than teams in bottom half of EPL - like bolton

before you protest, please consider if you really think a team like west ham (top half of EPL currently) is better than anderlecht. and if you think it is you are just insane in the head. anderlechts roster is chalk full of internationals from all around the world - kljestan being one of them. in champions league this year they got results against milan (away draw), malaga (away draw) and zenit (home win)

people are kidding themselves if they think playing at bottom half of table teams in EPL and bundeliga is superior to Anderlecht. overall competition is slightly better in EPL/Bun, while being a regular in starting 11 is slightly less impressive.

as for competition, top 4 or 5 in belgium are strong teams and playing in europa / champions league gives another full slate of games against top class teams. again, not quite as strong as a full season in EPL/Bundsliga, but still very good.

adu has basically never done anything impressive in his entire career.
holden had one good season with bottom half EPL team (yawn)

and I am the one not looking at the big picture?

keep dreaming, kids,,,

Mojofc
Post #18
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:06pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 687
Even after my post.. I'm fine giving Kljestan another chance. We obviously have an issue currently creating... But to say Kljestan is a lock at fixing our issues is comical.

Is it possible he has changed from the player he used to be? I hope so..
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #19
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:16pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,252
Yes we all know you are a Kljestan fan. Moving on now.

rainORshine
Post #20
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:17pm

Joined Dec 2012
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sure when people move on from adu / holden ill move on from kljestan.

deal?

rainORshine
Post #21
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:17pm

Joined Dec 2012
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sure. when people move on from adu / holden ill move on from kljestan.

deal?

Mojofc
Post #22
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:23pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 687
Rain.. 'holden had one good season with bottom half EPL team (yawn)'

Yeah he had one good season... What an awful player. He drew rave reviews in England, including against some of the top teams. Because he played for a lesser team in the EPL does not diminish his quality.

Weak arguments as usual.

Wondering if you're just a 'troll' just trying to mess with people... That's how far off base you are at times. Simply void of logic.

Cheers, have a good day.
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rainORshine
Post #23
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:26pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
i think holden is very good player. i think kljestan is a little better than holden. this is "void of logic"? really?

Lykou11601
Post #24
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:32pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 122
Anderlecht came in the bottom of that group... You're telling me you don't think that a team like the 2011 Bolton couldn't get a tie here and there? Milan is a historically great team and Malaga did surprisingly well in this years champions league. But neither team was all that impressive this year. 2010/11 bolton beat Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton, and New Castle. They tied United who is better than Milan or Malaga. Anderlecht is top of the Belgium table right now. If that is the best they have... I would rather have a USMNT member playing for a lower level EPL team where there is actually competition. When Holden got injured, Bolton was in the top half of the table. I'm not against seeing Kljestan for the US. But to put him on such a pedestal is a bit odd.

Mojofc
Post #25
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:37pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 687
rain, that's a better explanation. Thank you.

An opinion stated as an opinion is fantastic. Not going to disagree with that. It's your opinion to have.
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cudevil
Post #26
Thursday April 25, 2013 8:13pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 228
Anderlecht might be better than a bottom half EPL team, but the teams they're playing certainly aren't. That's the key-not who you're playing with, but against-to determining your development/ability at the international level.

rainORshine
Post #27
Thursday April 25, 2013 9:36pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from Lykou11601

Anderlecht came in the bottom of that group... You're telling me you don't think that a team like the 2011 Bolton couldn't get a tie here and there? Milan is a historically great team and Malaga did surprisingly well in this years champions league. But neither team was all that impressive this year. 2010/11 bolton beat Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton, and New Castle. They tied United who is better than Milan or Malaga. Anderlecht is top of the Belgium table right now. If that is the best they have... I would rather have a USMNT member playing for a lower level EPL team where there is actually competition. When Holden got injured, Bolton was in the top half of the table. I'm not against seeing Kljestan for the US. But to put him on such a pedestal is a bit odd.


just said i think he is a little better than holden. not much of a pedestal

the original point was not at all about kljestan - it was about my frustration that people put adu and holden on a pedestal, with very flimsy evidence that they deserve it. i simply use kljestan as a counter-balance

rainORshine
Post #28
Thursday April 25, 2013 10:02pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from cudevil

Anderlecht might be better than a bottom half EPL team, but the teams they're playing certainly aren't. That's the key-not who you're playing with, but against-to determining your development/ability at the international level.


i addressed this above. this is THE HUGE MISCONCEPTION about anderlecht. the top 4 in belgium are easily EPL quality. liege, anderlecht, brugge and genk are all inside top 80 in UEFA, which whould put them all mid-table EPL. in belgium you play these teams 4 times per year - twice in regular season and twice in playoffs (actually top 6 all play each other 2 x in playoffs). so thats 20 (5 x 4) mid to lower level EPL-type games right there

7 - 10 provide good, solid competition. not EPL quality, but decent teams. twice each and thats 8 (4x2) more games, for total of 28

11-16 are probably pretty weak, but at least the 6 road games are a decent test. thats 34 decent games.

throw in at least 6 games in champions league or europa and that is a very solid schedule. very comparable to a team in EPL that does not play in europe.

maybe / maybe not as good. definitely comparable

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #29
Thursday April 25, 2013 11:18pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,252
Original post from rainORshine

just said i think he is a little better than holden. not much of a pedestal

the original point was not at all about kljestan - it was about my frustration that people put adu and holden on a pedestal, with very flimsy evidence that they deserve it. i simply use kljestan as a counter-balance


Who is putting Adu and Holden on a pedestal? It's been stated that they could bring some attacking creativity that's it.

Now with your 10 to 20 posts dedicated to Kljestan claiming that he is the creative force the USMNT needs it seems to me that you are the one putting Kljestan on a pedestal.

I mean you have clearly stated in a prior post that Kljestan is the best creative assist CM since Reyna( which isn't true). I mean Kljestan's USMNT numbers are beyond below average.

Look Kljestan is a decent player, but he is not some creative force to be reckoned with.

The way Holden's upward trajectory career was going it was a damn shame he was injured when he was. Holden was voted the best CM in the first half of the season in the EPL in 2010/2011. He was voted Boltons best player that season eventhough he was injured for the last few months. Who knows if that same Holden will show up, but I am willing to find out if he is.

Adu- He gets a ton of stick, and in some cases he may deserve it, but the guy is still young, has a ton of ability, and if he becomes a consistent player for Bahia in an extremely good Brasilian Serie A league then I would think every USMNT fan should be pretty happy about that.

Kljestan- He came out with a flurry of good USMNT performances, but eventually digressed to the point where Bob Bradley chose a recently injury recovered Holden and a Jose Torres that hadn't had much USMNT experience over Kljestan for the 2010 WC team.

Bradley chose Adu over Kljestan in the 2011 Gold Cup final

Klinsmann really doesn't have much faith in Kljestan, and his once and awhile cameo appearances off of the bench have been pretty average.

I really liked Kljestan when he first hit the scene, but he digressed so much that really I don't have much faith in the guy. I still think he is a decent option off of the bench.

acahmed14
Post #30
Friday April 26, 2013 12:55am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 33
doesnt kljestan play more of a defensive midfielder for club? Im gonna get slaughtered for saying this but our problem is Dempsey. He doesn't really create anything. i really think altidore would flourish with a real offensive midfielder behind him wether it would be corona, feilhaber, adu i even prefer donovan in that postion. not saying he isnt good just not good for the usa in that postion when we dont have the wings for him and altidore to play off of.

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