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Post #1
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:09am

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Don Garber says he's "hopeful to make announcement on expansion team in New York within next 4-6 weeks." #MLS

I've heard some ppl say they think NY2 is out but why would Garber be "hopeful" to be an announcement and why would Bloomberg say progress is also being made.

I'm going to take this as a positive for NY2. I'm curious to get everyones opinion regardless if you are for or against NY2.

Red
NY
Post #2
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:13am

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more news: Garber says progress has been made and timeline accelerated with regards to adding expansion team in New York

Red
NY
Post #3
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:23am

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btw: he did NOT mention Orlando.

JFORD
Post #4
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:25am

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Will NY Cosmos.

logicoverall
Post #5
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:37am

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http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/24...

Sounds like NY2 and Florida are top priorities.

dolcem
Post #6
Thursday April 25, 2013 10:32am

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I wonder what's going to happen to the Red Bulls' (relatively) weak attendance if another NY team comes. I know Red Bulls is a Jersey team but still.

The Southeast sadly is just a horrible spot for professional sports. The SEC is just too big a deal. None of the Southeastern pro sports team are well supported.
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DougieB11
Avon, IN
Post #7
Thursday April 25, 2013 11:20am

Joined Dec 2012
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Lol @dolcem yes the sec is their religion but the main reason the SE teams dont have much support is because they suck. and have sucked for a while... people will show up if they believe the team can win.

MSantoine
Post #8
Thursday April 25, 2013 11:32am

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Original post from DougieB11

Lol @dolcem yes the sec is their religion but the main reason the SE teams dont have much support is because they suck. and have sucked for a while... people will show up if they believe the team can win.


Atlanta Hawks have made the playoffs the past 5-6 years. Atlanta Falcons are one of the top teams in the NFC. TB Lightning won a stanley cup about 5 years ago, Florida Panthers were in one. Magic made it to the finals and pre Dwight Howard killing that team were a perennial contender. Thrashers and Bobcats are recent expansion teams and one left and the other is on the outs. You cant go from expansion to contender over night in most sports.

MWrons
North Carolina
Post #9
Thursday April 25, 2013 1:47pm

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The Carolina Panthers have had over 100 consecutive sell out games and it was leaked that they posted a profit of 78.7 million and we haven't been good the past couple seasons...

Loche Achles
Post #10
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:25pm

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I am from New Orleans originally, grew up most of my life in North Carolina, and now am back in Louisiana. The Saints are anything but "not supported" and the Panthers sell out all the time. The Hurricanes (hockey, mind you) do fine enough in NC and the Railhawks even fill up the stadium with literally zero advertising.

I think NC is the most deserving of the Southeast for an expansion. Atlanta (my true hate for the Falcons aside) really is a horrible sports city, this is true. They have proven it. Florida as well. Jaguars? I will say though Miami teams can be successful depending on their performance (most far weather place ever) but Tampa is equally tough. Bucs have been growing/ok/exciting last two years and even with one of the NFLs best stadiums they are empty.

I will add as well that the Tennessee pro sports do great.

So the SEC argument isn't really that true. Its more like that's all they have (NC is ACC anyways... but still). Only Louisiana, Tennessee, Georgia and Northern Cuba (south Florida) have pro teams. Its pretty easy to understand why Bama, Mississip, Arkansas, South Carolina, Northern Florida, etc only root for their college teams... It's all they have!

Most of the SEC states though aren't soccer playing states period. So its all a wash in that regard. NC or Tennessee are the best bets IMO. Atlanta next (they just have to market it right).

dolcem
Post #11
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:42pm

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There are other factors too. The weather doesn't help. And in some places there are a lot of other attractions that compete with going to a professional sports game. Maybe SEC soccer would help a bit. And of course the national team making some good performances could help as well.
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dolcem
Post #12
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:59pm

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As far as NC goes, let's not forget about the Charlotte Hornets. They'd make the playoffs and still had horrible attendance. But you are right, of course there are some well supported teams in the SE, it's just not the trend in some places, especially in Florida and Georgia. Both are HORRIBLE for pro sports.

Original post from Loche Achles

Most of the SEC states though aren't soccer playing states period. So its all a wash in that regard. NC or Tennessee are the best bets IMO. Atlanta next (they just have to market it right).


That's the problem. The southeast has so many people and great athletes and they don't play soccer. If they played soccer it'd help us out a lot. Hopefully some day we'll get SEC soccer
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blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #13
Thursday April 25, 2013 5:43pm

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Original post from dolcem

I wonder what's going to happen to the Red Bulls' (relatively) weak attendance if another NY team comes. I know Red Bulls is a Jersey team but still.


I explained the red bulls problem on the other thread. The stadium was built in the wrong location. When the league gets better, so will the attendance issue with NYR. NY fans aren't excited to see teams: chivas usa, colorado, fc dallas, dynamo, revs, crew, toronto.

Those teams have to get better players in order for red bulls fans to show up. Even if they do get KAKA, the hype will eventually die out.

Also they need to re-evalutate changing their city name to New Jersey and changing back to metro stars.
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Don Garber will ruin the MLS if he goes with NY2 and puts a stadium in flushing meadow. At this point you need a rich investor who can level out an area and put a stadium in a prime "centralized" location. The Brooklyn nets leveled a whole city block and sent those businesses packing.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #14
Thursday April 25, 2013 7:08pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Original post from blaise213

I explained the red bulls problem on the other thread. The stadium was built in the wrong location. When the league gets better, so will the attendance issue with NYR. NY fans aren't excited to see teams: chivas usa, colorado, fc dallas, dynamo, revs, crew, toronto.

Those teams have to get better players in order for red bulls fans to show up. Even if they do get KAKA, the hype will eventually die out.

Also they need to re-evalutate changing their city name to New Jersey and changing back to metro stars.
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Don Garber will ruin the MLS if he goes with NY2 and puts a stadium in flushing meadow. At this point you need a rich investor who can level out an area and put a stadium in a prime "centralized" location. The Brooklyn nets leveled a whole city block and sent those businesses packing.


It has nothing to do with other teams and everything to do with "our" team. NYC and LI have zero attachment to the Red Bulls. They have very little presence in NY. We dont want the "New Jersey Red Bulls" to be our team. Its not personal, but we dislike NJ. We dont like travelling to NJ. Especially for Queens, Brooklyn, and LI residents, its an extreme pain in the ass to get to Red Bull Arena. For people in Manhattan, it could take 2-4 trains depending on where they live. I just did it Saturday. Coming from east end LI, 6 hours roundtrip travel time for an hour and 45 minute game.

Flushing, Queens is a good area, not great. But for the 16 million or so in NYC and LI, its a good location. From Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens its a short train ride. You can train or drive from Long Island, for most people, it would take no more than 30 minutes.

Look, if the tri-state area can handle 3 hockey teams, it can handle 2 soccer clubs.

dolcem
Post #15
Monday April 29, 2013 6:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
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http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/major-lea...

What do you guys think of this?

The nice thing about adding another NY team is this means more DP's...a lot of star players would only go to NY or LA so this gives us 9 possible DP slots (I don't count Chivas USA).

As the league improves the DP's will as well, slowly but surely (better players closer to the peak years of their career). Purist MLS fans don't like them but realistically they are so crucial to the growth of the sport in this country. When 80,000 are willing to watch exhibition fans between Euro teams it shows that we have enough soccer fans in this country, we just need to attract them to the MLS. And the best way to attract these fans is to give them quality players from Europe that they can tell their grandkids about seeing live.

Of course this means being smart about the DP's we want to bring over: picking ones that actually bring something to the table that the average MLS player does not. As long as we keep choosing guys like Cahill over Guti we'll continue to waste this opportunity. I have a really bad feeling Lampard will get over Kaka and if that happens it'll be devastating. I bet MLS owners would pick Dirk Kuyt over Ronaldinho.
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