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Lilshmike
Post #1
Wednesday April 17, 2013 12:43am

Joined Oct 2012
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I was looking at some of the threads and this came to mind. There is no doubt that if we increase the level of our domestic league, we will increase the quality of our national team. In yalls opinion, what do you think are the next steps in order for the MLS to be on par with some of the worlds best leagues?

My thoughts:
- Become recognized domestically as a major league (right now there are only 4 major leagues in the USA: NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA)
- Win the CONCACAF Champions League and go to the Club World Cup
- Increase the salary cap and minimum play salary
- Get rid of the allocation draft and allow returning US internationals to choose where they want to go
- Add another 2-3 DP slots per team
- Start signing players who are still in their prime instead of older, once great players who are on the back end of their career
- PUT THE LEAGUE ON THE SAME CALENDER AS THE REST OF THE WORLD

Lilshmike
Post #2
Wednesday April 17, 2013 12:53am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,224
I know a lot of these have to do with money and resources, which MLS doesnt have enough of. MLS needs to get better viewership and higher ratings in order to get a bit more cash in the bank.

You guys may not agree with it, and it may sound crazy, but I think that the MLS should honestly put all of its resources into signing great attacking and midfield players WITHOUT allocating too many resources towards focusing on the defense.

If teams were super top heavy in attack, with pretty poor defending, there would be A LOT of goals. Games would be much higher scoring and thus way more entertaining to the average sports, non-soccer viewer. Get more viewers, higher ratings, and more money.

In my opinion, with guys scoring goals constantly, players would likely attract more attention from higher teams/leagues around the world. More guys going overseas would mean higher exposure internationally, which could cause more international players to be willing to come play here. The better the quality of the teams, the better the quality of the players those teams are producing. Better competition, raise the bar in terms of talent, and surround our academy guys with professionals from across the globe instead of just from their immediate area.

Again, just my thoughts...

admsghs27
Post #3
Wednesday April 17, 2013 1:00am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Raise the salary cap.
Give homegrown/youth players game time with the first team, 16-20..
Win concachamps, make a run at the club wc.
Have 4 dps per team.. Sign star players between 25-31 who are in their prime.. Ex. messi or ronaldo at age 26- 30 not over 30 if is possible..
EXPAND more teams the higher the competition, the more players that will emerge.. Goal by 2018 28 teams, 30 by 2022 like nba.. 8 west, 8 east make playoffs..

I think they should get rid of the draft, have a combine, try outs, and sign the players that are good enough..

Keep the playoff format, And maybe in the future have a relegation bottom 2 teams are drop with 3rd a playoff with the 3rd best from usl/nasl.. Top 2 promoted.

blaise213
Post #4
Wednesday April 17, 2013 1:20am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,963
I have a different point of view. Im looking for immediate results.

World Class Stadiums + Downtown Locations = More Fans, More TV revenue which will increase the pay roll and DP's

*The main problem with MLS is the stadiums and locations. You have to pull in rich investors that want to take risks.
* You have to have an owner/investor who has the balls to knock out some prime real estate and put in a world class stadium. Stadiums need to be built in Downtown locations
WHY: Because this will pack the house because of location (i.e portalnd/Seattle).

Failed locations: Chicago, NE REVS, Colorado, Columbus, FC Dallas, and even the new SJ earthquakes location and stadium plan.

* Disney needs to join MLS and become the owner of Orlando City. This will put MLS highlights on ESPN every single night

* Last important step - Owners need to build multiple academies. Also they need to figure out a way to make money from an Academy. I suggest you have rehab centers built on Academy properties and set up a program for US soldiers wounded in the war to rehab there. The government will pay the cost to the facility.

tylercocinas
Post #5
Wednesday April 17, 2013 1:27am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from Lilshmike

I was looking at some of the threads and this came to mind. There is no doubt that if we increase the level of our domestic league, we will increase the quality of our national team. In yalls opinion, what do you think are the next steps in order for the MLS to be on par with some of the worlds best leagues?

My thoughts:
- Become recognized domestically as a major league (right now there are only 4 major leagues in the USA: NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA)
- Win the CONCACAF Champions League and go to the Club World Cup
- Increase the salary cap and minimum play salary
- Get rid of the allocation draft and allow returning US internationals to choose where they want to go
- Add another 2-3 DP slots per team
- Start signing players who are still in their prime instead of older, once great players who are on the back end of their career
- PUT THE LEAGUE ON THE SAME CALENDER AS THE REST OF THE WORLD


Spot on, with the exception of the ultimate bullet point and then the getting rid of allocation. I don't know that it is a feasible proposition for MLS to try and compete with the two biggest sporting cash cows in the US in the NFL and NCAA Football. Plus, who is going to go to matches in NE in January? they can hardly get fans in Gillette as it is. While we're on the subject, you have to consider the shared stadiums as well. That would take some logistical consideration and coordination to get it running smoothly as well.

You definitely cannot allow US players to go wherever they want.You'd end up with a Miami Heat situation which the current structure is set up to prevent. I think one way to resolve qualms about that would be to have it like an NBA draft lottery style system where each team depending on record has more balls in the lottery but instead of it being only the worst 1-12 (or 13?) clubs, give every team a shot to win (however minute). If you win an you pass, then pick another ping-pong ball until a club claims a player.

Given the increases in popularity that the league is experiencing, hopefully the next collective bargaining agreement will include even more concessions for players. I think that would facilitate many of the changes you hope to see the league make.

blaise213
Post #6
Wednesday April 17, 2013 1:35am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,963
The only way to follow the FIFA calender is to go back to what i said

***World Class Stadiums***

Every Stadium would have to be built with a retractible roof for the weather.

Houston made a mistake of not doing that..... Its too damn hot in the summer

MSantoine
Post #7
Wednesday April 17, 2013 1:55am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Even if the stadiums were all retractable roofs being on the same schedule just wouldnt work. The season would start as MLB is winding down and NFL is heating up. The home stretch would be the same time as March Madness, NBA playoffs, and NHL playoffs, as well as the start of MLB and the NFL draft. MLS would get even less coverage then it does now. Ratings would drop, which would drop the salary cap and cause more problems. Maybe if all the other goals were achieved, and MLS popularity was above NBA and NHL then you could look into moving the schedule, but doing so now would destroy the league

Lilshmike
Post #8
Wednesday April 17, 2013 2:00am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,224
@tylercocinas

I know that switching the calendar is tricky, and that the reason we have our calendar the way it is currently structured is because of NFL/NCAA. That hurts viewership and money, yea. But it hurts our players and our national team by never allowing anyone to be on the same page at the same time. Some that are in the camps are in season and are in form while others are there while their league is out of season.

And for MLS, tons of players cant exactly go out on loan during the winter to EPL and stuff all the time because that would mean that they would be playing 365 without a break and they would burn out/get injured.

As far as the Miami Heat deal, best way to do that with returning internationals would be to do one of 2 things in my opinion.
- No draft of any kind. However, put a limit on the number spots a team can have with returning US internationals. Give each spot an expiration (2-3 years) starting from when the player first returns to the MLS. At the expiration of the spot, give the team another spot to make up for their loss.
- Still no draft and exactly like before. Only thing different, is to allow teams the right to trade their spots in exchange for something else. For example, limit about 3 returning us internationals spots per team, but allow up to 6 spots on a team if that team trades something for them. That way, one team gets 3 more spots and another team gets players or something else in exchange to even it all out.

Lilshmike
Post #9
Wednesday April 17, 2013 2:14am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,224
Original post from admsghs27

Raise the salary cap.
Give homegrown/youth players game time with the first team, 16-20..
Win concachamps, make a run at the club wc.
Have 4 dps per team.. Sign star players between 25-31 who are in their prime.. Ex. messi or ronaldo at age 26- 30 not over 30 if is possible..
EXPAND more teams the higher the competition, the more players that will emerge.. Goal by 2018 28 teams, 30 by 2022 like nba.. 8 west, 8 east make playoffs..

I think they should get rid of the draft, have a combine, try outs, and sign the players that are good enough..

Keep the playoff format, And maybe in the future have a relegation bottom 2 teams are drop with 3rd a playoff with the 3rd best from usl/nasl.. Top 2 promoted.


I like the combine idea. I am not a big fan of the MLS draft.

Only thing I dont like is the size of the league. 30 teams is a TON of teams. I am in favor of 24. 12 teams east and west. Playoff system. Seed each team by record. Do playoff as such for each conference:
~ Play in game - PG1=6v7 and PG2=5v8
~ Quarter Finals - QF1=4vPG1 and QF2=3vPG2
~ Semi Finals - SF1=1vQF1 and SF2=2vQF2
~ Final - SF1vSF2

nolefansandy
Post #10
Wednesday April 17, 2013 2:34am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 284
I feel like the MLS could benefit from a Miami Heat type team just to grab new viewers. Most people probably only recognize USMNT players anyway so a team full of former USMNT players could potentially create another Beckham effect inside the U.S

Bshredder
Post #11
Wednesday April 17, 2013 3:14am

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
I honestly could care less about the Club World Cup. It's not the tournament people make it out to be

I'm more a fan of getting 2 MLS teams a year into the Libertadores

I'm fine with the calendar as it is.

Red
NY
Post #12
Wednesday April 17, 2013 3:21am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
I'm more a fan of getting 2 MLS teams a year into the Libertadores

100% agreed.

Lilshmike
Post #13
Wednesday April 17, 2013 3:55am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,224
Original post from Bshredder

I honestly could care less about the Club World Cup. It's not the tournament people make it out to be


No crap its not a prestigious, high quality tournament. Its not the UEFA Champions league.

Its not about the quality of the tournament tho. Its about the level of respect we gain internationally.

Internationally, Mexico is respected as a good soccer nation. Their league is seen as pretty good and so is their national team. The USA is a different story tho. We dont get respect. Sep Blatter even made comments about how he felt our league sucked. The same feelings translate to our national team as well.

If Mexican teams keep making the Club World Cup while we continue failing to qualify, then it goes to show that MLS is not as good as Liga MX. However, if we can finally break that seal and consistently put teams in the Club World Cup, then we will be able to take the next step as a league in gaining credibility and respect around the globe.

When we gain more respect and legitimacy, more international players will treat the MLS as an actual league. Right now, its viewed as a place for washed up superstars, international players who arent good enough for the mid-level leagues in Europe, and sucky Central-Americans. MX has more respect than that. If we can prove to be as good or better than MX, then it will give us more credibility. Players will be more willing to come over here to play and it will raise the quality of the league.

The only other way to accomplish getting more international interest is by increasing our salaries. Right now, MLS doesnt pay that much in salaries compared to other countries. If that changed, more guys would be willing to play over here, which in turn, would increase the quality and also contribute to a Club World Cup birth.

Politically speaking tho, more players might start coming over here anyways because many European countries are starting to raise their taxes. Over here they are increasing, but nothing like there. Mark my words, in the next couple of years more international players are going to try and jump to MLS from Europe. Although their salaries would be lower in the MLS, the taxes that they would have to pay in their country would cause them to make less money than they would if they played over here.

Point and case - Benny Feilhaber. Anyone who claims he came over to the MLS because he wasnt good enough or was playing poorly is wrong. He came back to the MLS because of money. Changes in Danish tax laws made it so that even though he would have a higher salary playing in Denmark, his loss from taxes would actually cause him to make less than if he were to be playing in the MLS with a lower salary.

skangles
DC
Post #14
Wednesday April 17, 2013 4:21am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,438
I am against shifting the league to the FIFA schedule for the weather and competition reasons that have already been discussed.

I completely understand why the league has expanded from a business perspective but from a quality of play perspective this hurts not helps. The benefits of having our well regarded prospects playing with a more elite group of teammates outweighs the logic that more players are getting a chance to make a name for themselves, in my opinion. At some point in the not so distant future we will get to the point where the NASL is the development league for young players and that will be truly exciting times for US soccer.

blaise213
Post #15
Wednesday April 17, 2013 5:37am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,963
Kron 4 news bay area just did a story on Alan Gordon's 4 game ban

Sports broadcaster said: "Alan Gordon is a punk and it's a waste of a story to report on because nobody knows who Alan Gordon is"!

Another example that needs improvement in MLS - media coverage

(i wrote in and said maybe if you covered MLS for more than 2 seconds, maybe more people would know who Alan Gordon is)

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