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nskarie
Post #31
Friday January 24, 2014 10:35pm

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There's a difference between what we are considering 'stacked with talent' in our youth teams and a 16 year old kid making his debut for a Top 10 club in the world.

All of them could turn out to be great players but they could also just turn out to be average players, think Kakuta. His potential seems to be unanimously worldly which we desperately need.

Chrisou101
Post #32
Friday January 24, 2014 10:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
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If I have to pick between Zalelem or Green, I'd pick Zalelem. At least Gedion wants to play for the US.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #33
Friday January 24, 2014 10:49pm

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Original post from nskarie

There's a difference between what we are considering 'stacked with talent' in our youth teams and a 16 year old kid making his debut for a Top 10 club in the world.

All of them could turn out to be great players but they could also just turn out to be average players, think Kakuta. His potential seems to be unanimously worldly which we desperately need.


Pretty sure Zelelam could turn out just like Kakuta. It's foolish to pine over a player who was never a US citizen to begin with.

nskarie
Post #34
Friday January 24, 2014 11:00pm

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Original post from 2tone

Pretty sure Zelelam could turn out just like Kakuta. It's foolish to pine over a player who was never a US citizen to begin with.


That's the point I made. I was just saying he's another level prospect compared to who we have currently. Maybe in a year that will change.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #35
Friday January 24, 2014 11:05pm

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Original post from nskarie

That's the point I made. I was just saying he's another level prospect compared to who we have currently. Maybe in a year that will change.


I hear ya.

blaise213
Post #36
Sunday January 26, 2014 7:33am

Joined Sep 2012
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Original post from Bshredder

Once he plays for Germany's youth team in an official competition (likely this March), he will be forever barred from the U.S since he wasn't a citizen at the time of playing for Germany.


I would invite Zelalem into the US vs Ukraine march friendly to practice with team.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #37
Sunday January 26, 2014 4:12pm

Joined Apr 2013
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Original post from Bshredder

Once he plays for Germany's youth team in an official competition (likely this March), he will be forever barred from the U.S since he wasn't a citizen at the time of playing for Germany.


Original post from blaise213

I would invite Zelalem into the US vs Ukraine march friendly to practice with team.


blaise213: That will not work....

skangles
DC
Post #38
Sunday January 26, 2014 6:12pm

Joined Jan 2013
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There is a really good article over on ESPN right now on Zelalem. He is a testament to the US youth development system but that is it.

My wife is a Green Card holder and we move around frequently. I've spent a lot of time researching dual citizenship regulation and on the phone with my dear friends at USCIS. Here's the deal, US Green Card holders are eligible to apply for US citizenship after 5 years or after 3 years if the Green Card is acquired via marriage.

However, if a Green Card holder leaves the US for more than six months they are deemed to have forfeited their permanent residency. There are two exceptions, first the Green Card holder can apply for a re-entry visa before they leave the US which allows them to spend up to a year outside of the country. Second there is an exception when the move is caused by a relocation in the spouse's job (which is not pertinent to Zelalem).

Moreover, certain countries including Germany forbid dual citizenship so to take US citizenship he would need to forfeit his German (and more importantly EU) passport.

So unless Zelalem is going to leave Arsenal to join the MLS for the next 5 years to regain his US citizenship eligibility, he's not going to play for the US.

It's still a great story and he'll be a fun player to watch given his US ties but he won't suit up for the MNT.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/americansabroad...

tylercocinas
Post #39
Sunday January 26, 2014 6:30pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
I believe this is the avenue by which the Zelalem family was investigating citizenship:

Automatic U.S. Citizenship After Birth - But Before the Age of 18- A Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen after Birth IF:

The child was under 18 from December 24, 1952 to February 26, 2001

The child was residing as a Green Card holder in the U.S. and both parents naturalized before the child's 18th birthday; OR

If one parent died, that the surviving parent naturalized before the child turned 18.
If the parents legally separated, that the parent maintaining legal and physical custody naturalized before the child turned 18.
If the child was born out of wedlock and paternity has not been established by legitimation, the mother naturalized before the child turned 18.

NOTE: The order in which the child meets the conditions does not matter so long as the child meets all the conditions before his or her 18th birthday.


http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizensh...

admsghs27
Post #40
Sunday January 26, 2014 6:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
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USA has so many prospects coming up even if he.was eligible for USA he would have a lot of competition amd not guaranteed a spot. Same goes for green. Remember coaches like ehat you do with the .NT more than what u do club wise. You could be avarage for your club but if your tearing it up with the NT you will keep your starting spot. That being said gren, and zalalem wont be much of a loss for USA. If he was developed here im sure there are several players out there with even more potential.

skangles
DC
Post #41
Sunday January 26, 2014 6:34pm

Joined Jan 2013
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But are his parents US citizens or are they also Green Card holders?

skangles
DC
Post #42
Sunday January 26, 2014 6:45pm

Joined Jan 2013
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This is from a Goff article last summer:

While in high school, he lived here as a permanent resident. His father, a medical technician during his time here, is also a green card holder. It's unclear whether his mother, also of Ethiopian descent, is a naturalized citizen.

Gedion's best bet is the Child Citizenship Act of 2000, which clears the way for a foreign-born minor to naturalize as soon as a parent becomes a citizen.

Has the father, Zelalem Woldyes, filed for citizenship? He did not respond to messages seeking comment. Multiple sources, however, said Woldyes did take initial steps for naturalization about 18 months ago.


If the father is living in London then it goes back to my statement about whether he applied for his re-entry visa, otherwise the father may have lost his eligibility.

With that said, US Soccer has circumvented the standard citizenship process in the past (e.g. David Regis) so they may have some influence to pull strings not available to the common folk.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-in...

joey11
Post #43
Sunday January 26, 2014 7:19pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 278
Original post from skangles

This is from a Goff article last summer:

If the father is living in London then it goes back to my statement about whether he applied for his re-entry visa, otherwise the father may have lost his eligibility.

With that said, US Soccer has circumvented the standard citizenship process in the past (e.g. David Regis) so they may have some influence to pull strings not available to the common folk.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-in...
skangles, David Regis case was ions ago. citizenship is no long given special treatment, there is no circumventing the system anymore.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #44
Friday March 21, 2014 6:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500117

Could be something. Probably nothing. But he is no longer listed on this roster. More than likely has something to do with Arsenal releasing him. But maybe, just maybe Jurgen is getting to him......

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #45
Friday March 21, 2014 6:53pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
Original post from kicksNgiggles10

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500117

Could be something. Probably nothing. But he is no longer listed on this roster. More than likely has something to do with Arsenal releasing him. But maybe, just maybe Jurgen is getting to him......

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/11...
the article from before where he was listed in the u-17's

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