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Dave
Post #376
Friday October 28, 2016 1:12am

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@Regicide - I think that Zelalem is a technical player with a great first touch and good short, to mid distance, passing. I didn't catch his cameo from the other day....so didn't see the instances that you were referencing in your latest post.
What I'm waiting to see from Zelalem....I'm waiting for consistency in long passing. Hard to accomplish when Arsenal doesn't do that type of ball very often. I'm waiting to see him take a physical challenge...the type that is part of the lower level CONCACAF teams...and either shrug it off and continue up the field OR bounce up quickly and get back into the action. Lastly I'm waiting to see what his speed really is. Most of the time I've seen him play it's been at a trot. I want to see if he's got the speed to break away from opponents.

I try and watch games where it's one of my teams or if I think there is a chance to see USMNT players. I've seen a number of Sunderland games this year in the hopes of evaluating Gooch's play. What I've noted in his play is that he challenges defenders 1v1, Plays with 100% commitment, plays with an attitude (a chip on his shoulder), defends every inch of the field when the opponent has the ball, and has the versatility to play anywhere in midfield or forward (except CDM). He hits a good/dangerous cross and links up with others well.

Most of Stanko's play I've seen was prior to his injury, but IMO he had the makings of a good box-to-box CM. He's got the size/build to be physical, has excellent speed & endurance, and has a wide range of passing. Has the same basic tools that I saw in Bradley when he first entered the US Team.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #377
Monday January 9, 2017 5:26pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
So it appears Zelalem will be sold to Dortmund. Pretty much as I expected this season. Wouldn't get any first team time on the pitch except for a few sub minutes here and there in cup matches. Would be loaned or sold.

I think with his skill set he can do well at Dortmund. Would love to see a midfield in 2-3 years at Dortmund with Zelalem and Pulisic, playing lots of minutes together in the Bundesliga...and for the USMNT.

Always been a proponent of guys playing together to form partnerships.
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goods
Post #378
Monday January 9, 2017 6:49pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 355
Not sure when Dortmund and Shalke play each other this spring. But a Wright vs Zalelam/Pulisic match up would be awesome.

Rey Regicide
Post #379
Monday January 9, 2017 6:56pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,900
I don't understand how he sees Niles in a higher light than Zelalem.

Rey Regicide
Post #380
Monday January 9, 2017 6:56pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,900
Wenger that is.

skangles
DC
Post #381
Monday January 9, 2017 9:31pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,270
I love how the Bundesliga quietly wins on most transfers with the Premier League. I feel like it's a big secret that nobody in Germany wants to mention because they're afraid that they'll jinx it.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #382
Tuesday January 10, 2017 3:45pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from Rey Regicide

I don't understand how he sees Niles in a higher light than Zelalem.


There's no indication that he does.

He has Niles-Maitland playing RB. At least all of his appearances this year have been there. Zelalem is a Midfielder.

Arsenal is loaded in the midfield, not so much at RB. So that gives Niles more opportunities and better opportunities and more valuable to Arsenal because of lack of commodities. Zelalem is just in an unfortunate position of being in a LOADED position.

He does have Adelaide rated higher than Zelalem, but that is perfectly understandable. Everytime I have seen Adelaide, he is a stud.
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Rey Regicide
Post #383
Tuesday January 10, 2017 3:59pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,900
Niles started in the game Zelalem came off the bench, and I think I remember him coming into games in midfield. I agree he's played RB last game, but did he play there the game before?

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #384
Tuesday January 10, 2017 5:52pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from Rey Regicide

Niles started in the game Zelalem came off the bench, and I think I remember him coming into games in midfield. I agree he's played RB last game, but did he play there the game before?


Every time I've seen him it's been RB. I remember questioning it the first time months ago (thinking he was a Mid). So I've been paying attention and they have had him almost primarily at RB.
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Rey Regicide
Post #385
Tuesday January 10, 2017 6:18pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,900
How do you feel Gunner, with regards to Arsenal, and not the National team prospects, about Zelalem leaving?

If he were a lost cause, we would be talking about a deal to West Brom, or Swansea, but it's Dortmund who's picked up the scent for skillful midfield players. There are things to work on, I imagine BVB intends to iron them out as much as possible. Mr. Wenger seems not too keen or willing to spend the time or effort. It's not just been Zelalem. We've seen Merida, etc others leave, seems like Wilshire might as well. It seems, now, the trend is to spend the money.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #386
Tuesday January 10, 2017 11:02pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from Rey Regicide

How do you feel Gunner, with regards to Arsenal, and not the National team prospects, about Zelalem leaving?

If he were a lost cause, we would be talking about a deal to West Brom, or Swansea, but it's Dortmund who's picked up the scent for skillful midfield players. There are things to work on, I imagine BVB intends to iron them out as much as possible. Mr. Wenger seems not too keen or willing to spend the time or effort. It's not just been Zelalem. We've seen Merida, etc others leave, seems like Wilshire might as well. It seems, now, the trend is to spend the money.


I don't necessarily know if that's true. I think he clearly thinks highly of Zelalem or at least outsiders do. But Wenger has others that he rates higher and we can't keep all of the midfielders. We are just loaded (veterans, youth, etc) there.

from what I have heard Dragomir, Willock, Crowley, Kamara, Adelaide are all guys that Wenger is pretty high on as well as Niles-Maitland (who still could end up in the midfield).

So if you have that many youth to go with Ramsey, Cazorla, Elneny, Coquelin, Ozil, Ox, Walcott, Sanchez, Xhaka, Iwobi, and Perez. That's loaded.

I don't know if Wenger was shopping Zelalem either. I think Dortmund just saw the type of player he is, how he could fit into their team and what they do, and that he was highly regarded and not getting any first team minutes...so they probably sent some feelers and Arsenal would be stupid not to sell him depending on the price, especially when you have basically someone who plays the exact same role/position that is the same age, that you rate higher (Adelaide). There isn't really room for both of them, so if you get an offer for the one you think "less" of...You sell him.

so while I would LOVE for a USMNT guy to stay at Arsenal and make it, I understand it and it doesn't bother me. It's more than likely for the best for club, country, and player.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #387
Wednesday January 11, 2017 1:58am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,238
I think it would be a great move for Zelalem.

Rey Regicide
Post #388
Thursday January 12, 2017 1:21pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,900
Original post from USAGunner

I don't necessarily know if that's true. I think he clearly thinks highly of Zelalem or at least outsiders do. But Wenger has others that he rates higher and we can't keep all of the midfielders. We are just loaded (veterans, youth, etc) there.

from what I have heard Dragomir, Willock, Crowley, Kamara, Adelaide are all guys that Wenger is pretty high on as well as Niles-Maitland (who still could end up in the midfield).

So if you have that many youth to go with Ramsey, Cazorla, Elneny, Coquelin, Ozil, Ox, Walcott, Sanchez, Xhaka, Iwobi, and Perez. That's loaded.

I don't know if Wenger was shopping Zelalem either. I think Dortmund just saw the type of player he is, how he could fit into their team and what they do, and that he was highly regarded and not getting any first team minutes...so they probably sent some feelers and Arsenal would be stupid not to sell him depending on the price, especially when you have basically someone who plays the exact same role/position that is the same age, that you rate higher (Adelaide). There isn't really room for both of them, so if you get an offer for the one you think "less" of...You sell him.

so while I would LOVE for a USMNT guy to stay at Arsenal and make it, I understand it and it doesn't bother me. It's more than likely for the best for club, country, and player.


Are there any youth players that were there BEFORE Granit Xhaka came over?

I'm thinking Wilshire. If Wenger starts buying more Xhaka's he's then changed his mentality, no?

You think Adelaide is breaking through, my suspicion is they're going to be another buy. I mean it's the unfortunate reality of today's game, at the very least in the EPL. you have to buy players in order to remain competitive. I think Zelalem is a casualty in this.

Maybe a couple years earlier, he plays him in a game, and gets rocked 8- 0 and holds off for a couple years to play him again or call him back from the team he got loaned to (Coquelin). But not, I guess the axe is grinding a little harder on him via the board. This is pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Rey Regicide
Post #389
Friday January 13, 2017 2:48pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,900
http://www.espnfc.us/story/3036876/gedion-zel...

welp, wonder what happened here.

I'm sure BVB would have bought him if the price was right.

Gedion, go west young man?

hamsamwich
Post #390
Friday January 13, 2017 3:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,509
He should play in the Dutch league for my money, learn how to play a little deeper while still using that superb vision and ball control. I'm all for the bundesliga but I'd love to see him to go a team like PSV for a random example.

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