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Jzaval01
Post #361
Wednesday August 31, 2016 5:13pm

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Original post from munns5986

So one report came out that a team was interested and because it wasn't the league you want it is terrible and he should just come to the US. How many different clubs has Miazga been linked to so far? He very well may go to Bolton but let's wait to see before overreacting.


Overreacting? No one is overreacting. Just stating that playing in 3rd divisions england and 2nd divisions of scotland isnt great and that if thats going to be the case he might as well get an MLS loan. Thats my opinion GZ can do w.e he wants its his career. As for Miazga dont compare it because miazga has rumbling from 1st division teams

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #362
Wednesday August 31, 2016 11:52pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Euro clubs aren't going to send their young players to MLS. They want them in Europe where they can keep an eye on them. Why would they send them to MLS? Because he wore a USA jersey at the u20 level?
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
Jzaval01
Post #363
Thursday September 1, 2016 1:07am

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Yea of course they wouldnt because they dont rate MLS part ignorant I might add because its MLS and the reputation an all.
I will address that Man city did loan Angelino and Shay Facey to MLS and they seem to be fine. Especially angelino.

My idea which I add wont happen was if you send him to League 1 well it cant be any worse than playing in MLS if anything MLS would be a better loan choice. Again an opinion. Regardless he stays at Arsenal.

skangles
DC
Post #364
Thursday September 1, 2016 1:37am

Joined Jan 2013
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Interesting perspective from Arsenal fans.

http://paininthearsenal.com/2016/08/31/arsena...

Jzaval01
Post #365
Thursday September 1, 2016 3:23am

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Knowing Arsenal you can bet their pieces will start to fall one by one in a few months lol

Rey Regicide
Post #366
Wednesday October 26, 2016 1:21pm

Joined Sep 2013
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I saw him come on for 10 minutes yesterday, read he played an under 20 game for Arsenal vs Manchester United.. So maybe that's part of hte reason why he didn't start. The two midfielders for Arsenal, Niles and I forget the other guys name, Elneny, didn't impress me. He came on and really controlled the game. He was spinning on an axis as opposed to surging forward.

He reminds me of the Xavi archetype in that he waits until the last possible moment and then releases the ball in space.

Dave
Post #367
Wednesday October 26, 2016 3:18pm

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from Rey Regicide

I saw him come on for 10 minutes yesterday, read he played an under 20 game for Arsenal vs Manchester United.. So maybe that's part of hte reason why he didn't start. The two midfielders for Arsenal, Niles and I forget the other guys name, Elneny, didn't impress me. He came on and really controlled the game. He was spinning on an axis as opposed to surging forward.

He reminds me of the Xavi archetype in that he waits until the last possible moment and then releases the ball in space.


You do realize that the game against Reading was a Cup match right? Most cup matches are used by EPL clubs to give minutes to their 2nd string and below...at least until they meet another EPL club. Zelalem is still probably 5th or 6th in Arsenal's depth chart.

goods
Post #368
Wednesday October 26, 2016 4:52pm

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I would say the same thing about CCV. Any opportunity for a kid under 20 to get into a cup game and looks like he belongs is impressive. Now, I would like to see what he does against a higher level of talent but I would still view this as a positive. Especially if he went a full 90 in the morning.

Rey Regicide
Post #369
Wednesday October 26, 2016 6:09pm

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Original post from Dave

You do realize that the game against Reading was a Cup match right? Most cup matches are used by EPL clubs to give minutes to their 2nd string and below...at least until they meet another EPL club. Zelalem is still probably 5th or 6th in Arsenal's depth chart.


Oh yea definitely, this is the crap cup, not even the FA cup.

That doesn't change who he is. How good he is a matter of time and opportunity, the Pulisic thing taught us that.

Do you dispute how he looks, and how he plays? His process, not result.

Rey Regicide
Post #370
Wednesday October 26, 2016 6:16pm

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Like when Julian Green scores two goals vs Cuba, we're all like, wow, what an attacking talent, he doesn't control the game like Zelalem. We don't have anyone who does, we have good substitutes or archetypes in the mold of Green. Pulisic being better than Green.

And we're aware that it's against Cuba. then we hope that his quality can rise to the level of better competition, I'm sure he hopes the same at Bayern, for himself.

Dave
Post #371
Thursday October 27, 2016 1:44am

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Original post from Rey Regicide

Oh yea definitely, this is the crap cup, not even the FA cup.

That doesn't change who he is. How good he is a matter of time and opportunity, the Pulisic thing taught us that.

Do you dispute how he looks, and how he plays? His process, not result.


I don't dispute that he's a good young player. I'm just putting things into perspective regarding the level of competition and that he's still a fair distance away from making his Sr. National Team debut.

Of the 6 top shelf young players currently emerging in the English & German top flight it goes in the following order IMO....
Pulisic - Receiving quality minutes/starts
Gooch - Receving spot minutes/starts
CCV - Consistently making the Gameday 18
Green - In & Out of the gameday 18
Hyndman - In & Out of the gameday 18
Zelalem - Made a Cup game Cameo.

Rey Regicide
Post #372
Thursday October 27, 2016 12:27pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Not good, not whether he can play, talking exclusively "how" he plays.

Like when he plays do you see Bradley, Klesjtan, Nagbe or any of those "types" "styles"?

Do you think against better competition, he would revert to a kick ball strategy, or exclusively trying to receive the ball with his back to goal, his own goal, or opponents goal? Will he get "shook" loss in confidence, Reading is subpar talent, but it is a step up from under 20's, I mean Blanket if i'm not mistaken was an ex Manchester United youth player, he didnt pan out, but I mean several players don't pan out like Drinkwater who possess inherit quality, suitable for premier league action. Reading is the best competition he's faced thus far, I think in his life, and he did not look out of place. Yes it was 10 minutes.

That's not a dismissive rhetorical, it's an honest question. I would like to know what you think.

I think Altidore is our best striker, but at times when he feels uncomfortable he turns into Eduardo El tanke Hurtado, and forgets that he can beast people on the runs. He's still effective, I personally feel that's down to his comfort level with his technique.

I think Nagbe is less than Bradley, but will consistently play on a swivel, passing into space forward or back, trying to retain possession.

The irony here is that Nagbe will help out more in games where we need possession, but won't give us the end product Bradley gives us, like in games where he comes through, like the Egypt game run up the middle of the field sliding shot into goal, or the Slovenia, middle of the field run sliding ...shot...into.goal... or the Costa Rica sliding.. you get hte point...

Rey Regicide
Post #373
Thursday October 27, 2016 1:20pm

Joined Sep 2013
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in short, we need Zelalem to get better, or show us he can handle quality opposition, once those things happen, given the fact that his "style" is a necessity for our team, he becomes a integral part, really, imho.

Dave
Post #374
Thursday October 27, 2016 2:43pm

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It is hard to judge how a player will react when faced with adverse situations until they have been repetitively tested in those types of situations. Zelalem has shown that when he's familiar with his teammates and the situation that he has a very proactive possession retaining style that hasn't always been displayed in the US player pool. What he seems to excel at is short to mid-range quick passing...very similar to how Spain played around 2009/2010. This is very effective when you are given time and space...when the opponent concedes possession or bunkers. He's a fulcrum that teammates play/move off of in the attack. Similar to what Kljestan tries to be. He's also more of a cover defender...playing angles and passing lanes while waiting for the opponent to make a mistake or for help to arrive.

What I haven't seen from him (yet) is how he reacts in situations where the opponent blankets/smothers players and/or employs thuggish tactics. Zelalem doesn't have the physical structure to out muscle people (Jones type). He doesn't have the physical strength or attitude to bang it out with physical teams. I haven't seen the gritty resolve....fight to retain/recover possession that players like Jones, Bedoya, Williams, even Bradley possess/display.

Nor have I seen him maintain possession dribbling in tight/congestion (Nagbe type). He doesn't have the low center of gravity, tight control, speed or shiftiness to slalom in/around defenders. Things that Pulisic & Gooch have begun to shown.

Lastly I haven't seen him perform the range of passing that players like Bradley/Cameron display. Especially the longer range balls essential for quickly switching the point of attack or defeating the high press. That 30-50 yard areal diagonal ball into the stride of a streaking player....or the over the top ball with backspin that lays up in the no-man zone between the keeper and the center backs.

Ultimately I haven't seen enough of Zelalem to really know how he matches up with some of the other young(ish) players. He was a late addition to the U-20 group that had Hyndman, Canouse, Acosta & Gooch so there was a lack of chemistry with that group. The limited number of games and Tabs rotation made it difficult to fully evaluate him against this group.
I haven't seen any of the games of the current U-20 team that he's been playing with. Nor has there been much in the way of televised youth games with Arsenal, so I'm mostly having to go off of highlights and others descriptions of his play. I know he has talent....what I don't know yet is how he'll fit into the way that the US team is progressing. Players like Pulisic, Gooch, Stanko, & Canouse have shown me that they have the traits to succeed with the US style and the direction we're headed. Technical, quick, & Versatile, but able to be gritty/physical when needed. My fear is that Zelalem may possibly be too one dimensional and is only effective in a certain situation and/or style. Only time and games will tell.

Rey Regicide
Post #375
Thursday October 27, 2016 2:59pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,768
Did you watch the waning minutes during the game? there were instances where he was getting crowded and he either didn't allow his broad side to get hit (which is how you fight btw when you are much smaller than someone, seems basic lol, get smaller and just avoid contact)

I think there was one move where two guys literally put arms on him, it was on the right flank, on the tv it was going right to left, and he just bounced off them. It wasn't like Italian Thug, but it was pretty physical. He got encroached on, honestly I thought he was going to lose it, but he turned his burners on and sped past them. So he has speed, he can "Nagbe" out of a situation just chooses to be in the "pocket" like a passing quarterback.

In fact, the one thing I would be concerned with is what he doesn't assess his partner, he made this pass going back to a guy looking directly at him but lost his concentration, in turn the ball stood there for like a half second and the reading player came in and took it. It goes back to what you're saying about comfort and who he is playing with

Wait so you think Zelalem isn't a technical player? Again, not being dismissive, just what in his package that you've seen you feel he lacks, that gooch or stanko has? And it not relating to athleticism.

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