RECAPS
EXTRA TIME
YANKS ABROAD LOCKER ROOM
 
tylercocinas
Post #301
Friday May 1, 2015 3:06pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from snipes87

Aresnal has to buy top players to be successful. Boca or River P don't. They are forced to produce and export. This is silly to argue.


Not seeking to proliferate this thread continuing to be off topic but Arsenal have developed many players. The notion that they don't is kind of ignoring history, regardless of their recent purchases of Ozil and Sanchez.

Kieran Gibbs, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Wilshere, Coquelin, then guys like Fabregas, RvP, Ashley Cole, Song, Clichy, etc. No, no all of them were raised through the youth system but the players who were purchased all came early on in their professional careers and reached the top of their game under Wenger.

I'm done.

MSantoine
Post #302
Friday May 1, 2015 3:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Rey Regicide

In theory if you put Zelalem with Sonora with a CDM then you have do away with having just one attacking 3/4 and put three forwards up, hopefully two with boss workrates


All I know is if Zelalem gets cleared in time there will be absolutely no excuses for Tab to not get out of the group (I refuse to say how far we have to go as especially with the wonky potential matchups in knockout rounds god knows who we get in a draw). We will have arguably better midfielders on our bench than the last 2-3 cycles had starting.

dolcem
Post #303
Saturday May 2, 2015 1:05am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from hamsamwich

@dolcem- Tevez? The great.

Tonto made a good point of Soņora or Zelalam as the enganche for the u20s.... Or can they both play in a midfield with Hyndman?


Yeah he's the closest thing they have to an idolo. But even then he didn't play much for them and then left to play for Corinthians. It's one thing to leave your club for a team in Europe, but to make a lateral move within South America isn't really what you'd expect from an idolo.

I think it'd be great to have a 4-5-1 with Hyndman and Zelalem as the 6 and 8 and Sonora as the 10.
GET A CLUB TEAM
hamsamwich
Post #304
Saturday May 2, 2015 1:49pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
There's no doubt we have strength in the midfield this time. Last u20 it felt like Luis Gil was out there balling solo.

dunlopp9987
Post #305
Tuesday August 18, 2015 3:51pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
Reports going around that Gedion will spend the season on loan with Rangers. I can't tell which is a better move, to stay with Arsenal's youth/reserve teams or play in the Scottish second division. My instinct says the quality of competition would probably be better staying with Arsenal.
COYB!!
hamsamwich
Post #306
Tuesday August 18, 2015 3:55pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,176
I vote Rangers. Practice games and real games are different. He needs to learn to play defense etc.

Spank
661
Post #307
Tuesday August 18, 2015 3:56pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 131
A loan to a championship side would be ideal. And if you're gonna waste a year, why not waste it in MLS? The quality of the league is better than the Scottish Premier League. Don't do it Gedion.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #308
Tuesday August 18, 2015 4:00pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 829
Original post from dunlopp9987

Reports going around that Gedion will spend the season on loan with Rangers. I can't tell which is a better move, to stay with Arsenal's youth/reserve teams or play in the Scottish second division. My instinct says the quality of competition would probably be better staying with Arsenal.


I think that it's a good move. There are other factor besides quality of play that matter when considering a loan. Coaching and position within the squad come to mind right away. I wish him luck.

MSantoine
Post #309
Tuesday August 18, 2015 5:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
And regardless of competition level producing stats at rangers will likely carry more weight in europe then procuding in mls. Even though they are 2nd division they still carry the rangers name. That means something

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #310
Tuesday August 18, 2015 5:09pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,387
I don't know the strength of the Scottish Championship, but Rangers just pummeled a team 5-1 this past weekend. At least he would be playing against grown men, but it is a bit of a depressing move for a player supposedly highly thought of at Arsenal. You would think the team would rather see him play in the English Championship for a year. But Rangers also took another talented young player on loan from Tottenham.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #311
Tuesday August 18, 2015 6:25pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
I think it would be a good move. He'll get playing time, He'll practice with good players (Rangers are only in 2nd division because of the sanctions a few years ago, have been destroying competition ever since in their move back up the ranks), as Rangers still has a Europa level squad/talent.
So he'll be practicing against guys that are Europa-league level, he'll be getting good minutes against professionals, Rangers have a good system of training, etc so he will continue to develop and Rangers will go far in the Scottish Cup and could potentially win it (or at least play for the championship), which would be very good experience for a young guy like Gedion.

So yes it would be a good move. I don't know if he is developed enough to play a lot of minutes in the Champ League. Certainly not strong enough. Too much at stake for those teams, likely wouldn't play him that much either. Rangers are that much better than everyone so they can spare playing a very young guy who isn't physically to the task yet of playing with pro's.

As far as the other guy that Arsenal loaned out to a champ side. Akpom. Dude is a very good talent and a LOT more physically ready. At this point he is MUCH closer to the Arsenal first team than Zelalem is. Gnabry is another that is higher on the pecking order right now for Arsenal (loaned to a EPL side).

Then you have Maitland-Niles who is also at least as highly regarded as Zelalem. Who is also loaned out to a Championship side.

Wenger has a tendency to loan guys out at lower levels to start them off. Akpom was loaned to a League 1 team for 2 straight years, then loaned to a Championship side last year, and now loaned to a better championship (EPL last year) side.

Zelalem will be loaned out at some point this year. Then next year is likely too. If after that 3rd year we haven't seen progression in who he is loaned out too (IE a Scottish 2nd level team this year, a League 1 next year, Championship side the year after) then you can expect him to be transfered out. If you see progression then you know Arsenal/Wenger think he is progressing and can be a squad player at Arsenal in the future.

2 examples.
Benik Afobe has gone out on loan the last 4-5 years for Arsenal. Each time it was a lower league 2 or League 1 team. Never progressing. This past summer he was sold. Never really featured for Arsenal even in Pre-season.
Chuba Akpom has gone out on loan the last 4 years for Arsenal, progressing in his loans each time, this past summer he made all of the Pre-season trips and featured in many of them. At this progression next year he'll either be loaned to an EPL team (depending on the other FWs they still have in the squad) or he will be one of the FWs for Arsenal. (provided he continues to progress at Hull City).
www.westpalmbeachchurchofchrist.com
rotosportsbook
Post #312
Tuesday August 18, 2015 6:57pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 34
So he'll be practicing against guys that are Europa-league level, he'll be getting good minutes against professionals

If Rangers has Europa league level talent, how are we so sure he'll be getting minutes? To me most loan opportunities are about practicing with top talent vs getting more minutes, this is the rare loan that gives Zelalem both?

Know Nothing
Post #313
Tuesday August 18, 2015 7:42pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,653
This league will test his toughness...my only concern is if he makes the move on loan he will be amongst the most skillful players in the league so he will be a target for physical challenges.

Hopefully he does not get the same racial hatred Beasley encountered as it is a very passionate football city.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #314
Tuesday August 18, 2015 8:46pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from rotosportsbook

So he'll be practicing against guys that are Europa-league level, he'll be getting good minutes against professionals

If Rangers has Europa league level talent, how are we so sure he'll be getting minutes? To me most loan opportunities are about practicing with top talent vs getting more minutes, this is the rare loan that gives Zelalem both?


He won't necessarily be starting, but he'll be playing. Regular sub, occasional starter. Starter in Cup games. That is better than EPL U-20 youth league.
www.westpalmbeachchurchofchrist.com
admsghs27
Post #315
Tuesday August 18, 2015 9:32pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Wait so Scottish second division ??? He is better of coming to USL..

Page 21 of 27
«« First « Previous 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25  Next » Last »»

With Jesse Marsch and David Wagner at the helms of teams in the top flight, YA will cover their exploits this season.
RECENT POSTS
YA Transfer Tracker
Yanks Face Relegation in England
Tale of Two Young Yanks in Europe
Wagner Nears Premier League Goal
THIS WEEK'S HEADLINES

RANDOM TAGS FROM PAST WEEK...
League One, K League, DeAndre Yedlin, Ajax, Cambodia, Werder Bremen, Josh Sargent, Chelsea, South Korea, Ulsan Hyundai