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Post #241
Saturday April 25, 2015 1:24am

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Original post from 2tone

If I was a betting man, than his exception probably won't be approved before Ramos has to submit his 30 man initial roster for the U-20 WC.

Which means if it gets approved after, one would think Klinsmann will be putting Gedion on the Gold Cup roster.


There is no reason to rush Zelalem into the Sr. Team at this point. The team and pool as it currently stands is sufficient to win the 2015 GC. No reason to put to much hype and/or pressure on the kid at this stage. Let him participate with the U-23 Olympic Qualification and if/when he proves his worth there then bring him into the Sr. Squad.
Zelalem, Green, Gil, Trapp and others at this point need the time to mature to get the best out of them in the future.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #242
Saturday April 25, 2015 2:20am

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Juergen has already stated that he feels Zelalem is ready to help the USMNT. I am not advocating for him to be on the Gold Cup team. But I can definitely see Juergen putting him on the team. Juergen put Green on the WC team without playing a minute of firs team soccer. Zelalem has already see Arsenal first team minutes.

Like I said I could definitely see Zelalem on the Gold Cup team.

admsghs27
Post #243
Saturday April 25, 2015 3:30am

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In all honesty I think zelalem will have to fight his way onto the sub 20 team. At this point I don't think he can start for our sub 20 team yet. He has to prove himself at the international level.

2tone
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Post #244
Saturday April 25, 2015 4:25am

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No Zelalem would not have to fight his on to the U20 team.

admsghs27
Post #245
Saturday April 25, 2015 5:07am

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Original post from 2tone

No Zelalem would not have to fight his on to the U20 team.


Why what has he proven ?? Specially at the international level ?? Of course I want him to Excel but only because he is hyped up doesn't mean he should just walk in and start he has to earn his way in in practice and friendlies.

Dylema
Seattle, WA
Post #246
Saturday April 25, 2015 7:11am

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I suppose you are correct in saying he should have to "fight" his way into the u20 lineup but after a week of practices with the team I expect him to be a starter for them. The 2 appearances for the Arsenal first team as well as 11 games in the UEFA Youth League show he has the experience and talent to play for the u20's and possibly even the u23's come Olympic time.

admsghs27
Post #247
Saturday April 25, 2015 8:16am

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At the sub 20 wc level they will be going up against players that have first team exeperience specially against the big teams not just random 5-10 min appeareances but extensive first team club minutes that counts way more than youth games and random appearances.

Dylema
Seattle, WA
Post #248
Saturday April 25, 2015 7:12pm

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At the u20 level what US player has that kind of experience? Besides after a very quick look Pogba was the only player I found with over 20 appearances in a top 4 league. A fair amount of players who have been capped for France and Spain from the last under 20 world cup were still in reserve sides or loaned out to lower leagues.

admsghs27
Post #249
Saturday April 25, 2015 8:18pm

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Original post from Dylema

At the u20 level what US player has that kind of experience? Besides after a very quick look Pogba was the only player I found with over 20 appearances in a top 4 league. A fair amount of players who have been capped for France and Spain from the last under 20 world cup were still in reserve sides or loaned out to lower leagues.


Argentina the most successful team at this level has several players with extensive first team experience in a very Strong league. I would rather have players playing few first team minutes in Boca or River than being a regular in Arsenal at the sub 21 level.

admsghs27
Post #250
Saturday April 25, 2015 8:25pm

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The same with Brazil they are the 2nd most successful teamat the sub 20 level because they have several players playing in their league extensive first team soccer at young ages by the time their 19 or 20 they are pretty much veterans playing at the first team level. And they have a very strong league as well. Argentina and Brazil have much better development than any league in Europe that's why have the most player transfers than any countries in the planet!

Dylema
Seattle, WA
Post #251
Saturday April 25, 2015 9:10pm

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I agree, and he probably wouldn't be able to walk in to either of their u20 sides with out a fight but the US just doesn't have that level yet. As MLS and the academy system grows hopefully we can produce players who follow that sort of trajectory.

On the other hand you have the English argument of having a league that is too strong and too open to foreigners that the young players don't get a chance. How many of those 18 year olds at Boca or River would play meaningful minutes at ManU, Aresnal, ect.

Either way I'd rather have him get minutes somewhere then be like Green and get barely any playing time at any level with Hamburg.

admsghs27
Post #252
Sunday April 26, 2015 12:49am

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Original post from Dylema

I agree, and he probably wouldn't be able to walk in to either of their u20 sides with out a fight but the US just doesn't have that level yet. As MLS and the academy system grows hopefully we can produce players who follow that sort of trajectory.

On the other hand you have the English argument of having a league that is too strong and too open to foreigners that the young players don't get a chance. How many of those 18 year olds at Boca or River would play meaningful minutes at ManU, Aresnal, ect.

Either way I'd rather have him get minutes somewhere then be like Green and get barely any playing time at any level with Hamburg.


Why because the foreigners are better than the English players and most likely will always be. I will say this Boca is a better team than Arsenal right now and no doubt have a better development program. In case you forgot i think the best players from those clubs are South American ??? Rojo, Sanchez, Di maria, Valencia, ect.. And they all developed in their Domestic leagues. I would bet anyone here Zelalem will not make a 21 man roster for Either Argentina or Brazil at the sub 20 level. He is just simply not good enough to make it for them. I mean don't get me wrong i hope he does end up being a great player with the MNT but sometimes we have to be realistic.

Dylema
Seattle, WA
Post #253
Sunday April 26, 2015 2:24am

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That's exactly the point, you hear it from them every world cup as a reason why they can't win it. I'm not debating if who produces the most pro players, that's clearly the south american giants game but to write off a kid at 18 for not playing first team football in the EPL is a bit harsh.

Will he be a world great? I'd say probably not, but he will most likely turn out to be a US regular.

magicrub
Post #254
Sunday April 26, 2015 2:53am

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Original post from admsghs27

Why because the foreigners are better than the English players and most likely will always be. I will say this Boca is a better team than Arsenal right now and no doubt have a better development program. In case you forgot i think the best players from those clubs are South American ??? Rojo, Sanchez, Di maria, Valencia, ect.. And they all developed in their Domestic leagues. I would bet anyone here Zelalem will not make a 21 man roster for Either Argentina or Brazil at the sub 20 level. He is just simply not good enough to make it for them. I mean don't get me wrong i hope he does end up being a great player with the MNT but sometimes we have to be realistic.


he is easily one of the 25 best young talents in england, but probably outside the top 50 in all of europe. however...most teams would love having him as an option, his upside is far greater than his current level of play....the cesc comparisons are still warranted, though i dont think he'll be nearly as creative. he will be a good player, the US will be lucky to have him, and should bring him along slowly. i am thinking that he will most likely spend time with both ramos and herzog before he joins the full senior side. any scout will tell you however that because he already has this technical gift, the tactical knowledge and physical development will come.

admsghs27
Post #255
Sunday April 26, 2015 3:17am

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Every time i see a top 50 or 25 prospect or so over the years and i'm talking about 10+ years or so maybe 5-10 actually do good and have a long fruitful career and about 2-5 make it big as world class players. The odds are against most prospects is hard to tell how he will end up. I'm rooting for all american prospects to make it big even the ones here in America but we cant just assume and speculate like Zelalem will be our Savior and best player right when he comes in. I mean Morris already being compared to the next Donovan will it happen ??? Highly doubt it. Adu the next Pele ??? NOOOO... I remember Spector being called the next Vidic not even close, Lijah next Cherundolo, Jozy Next Drogba, Findley next Wright Phillips and so on so on ect... But it doesn't always pan out that way, lets way and see and not put to much pressure on our prospects and have high expectations yet.

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