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USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #211
Thursday July 24, 2014 11:32pm

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Original post from 2tone

He was actually played as a DM last season for Arsenals U-21 team.

From what I understand is that Arsenals coaching staff really don't view him as an attacking midfielder, and have been transitioning him to a DM/deep lying playmaker role.

He is more of a facilitator or Pirlo type of player. A deep lying playmaker.


Having watched him play in the U21s, he definitely is a DLP.

navi8132
New York
Post #212
Friday July 25, 2014 12:12am

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I saw his most recent freindly, he was near the top of the box almost the entire 45 minutes (rarely ever going into the box and rarely ever going back into ARS half of pitch, which is more because they dominated). He was no deep lying playmaker in that game.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #213
Friday July 25, 2014 10:24pm

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Original post from navi8132

I saw his most recent freindly, he was near the top of the box almost the entire 45 minutes (rarely ever going into the box and rarely ever going back into ARS half of pitch, which is more because they dominated). He was no deep lying playmaker in that game.


That's a friendly with first teamers, he won't always get his preferred position. He played the DLP throughout the high majority of the U21 games, which is obviously where Wenger and youth coaches seem him. He's capable of playing all three roles but he's a DLP.

Dave
Post #214
Saturday July 26, 2014 2:07am

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[quote]Original post from MSantoine

Its hard to know how critical, or how important of a get he'd be for USA until the whole class of prospects develop. If 2018 comes around and we have a midfield/forwards set up like

Stanko (Bundesliga starter)
MB Pelosi (EPL starter)
Green (Bundesliga starter) Jozy(EPL starter)/Agudelo (EPL starter?) Rubin(Bundesliga starte?EPL? La Liga?)

As a soccer team/nation we need to look beyond who may, or may not, be starters in 2018. Where the USMNT has struggled the most is the quality of next in line behind the starter. Having a starting 11 comprised from starters (90 min contributors) who play for quality teams in the big 6 leagues is great....but if the next player up is playing limited time for a relegation club, or playing in weak leagues (SPL, Norway, etc...) then we are an injury or card accumulation issue away from struggling through a tough group or falling in the 1st round of the knock out rounds of a competition.
What the USMNT needs to strive for is having 30+ players playing in quality division 1 leagues (Germany, Italy, Spain, England, France, Holland) for quality teams (Top 6 in the league) for 70+ minutes week in week out. When this is the quality of the players withing the US Player Pool....Then we'll have the opportunity to compete with any National Team regardless of which of the 23 players take the field. This will allow the coach(es) to cycle players during a tournament. To rest players when needed or protect them from getting into card trouble, without there being a drop in team production.
A player pool for 2018 consisting of: Zelalem, Stanko, Canouse, Pelosi, Williams, Green, Gyau, Rubio, Jozy, Johannsson, Fabian, Bradley, Yedlin, Chandler, Brooks, Packwood, Boyd, Diskerud, Parker, Parker, Besler, Gonzalez, Nagbe, O'Neill, Arriola, Gatt, Trapp, Powers, Agudelo, Boyd, Guzan, Clark, Hamid, Irwin, Johnson, is another step towards where we want to to be as a national team. But the more quality players we can integrate the less dependent we'll be on any one player (Jozy, Donovan, Davis, Gooch, Dempsey, Jones, etc...) for the success of the national team. The less dependent on any given player the more capable the team will be to perform/recover from an injury and or suspension.

Nick4235
Boston, Mass
Post #215
Saturday July 26, 2014 4:41pm

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Dave. That was one of my favorite posts on here of all time. People say all the time "meh we have lots of talent coming up so we don't need him" whenever a dual national may be eligible soon become eligible or one of our players is being looked at by other national teams. This year Germany lost, in my opinion, was one of their top players in Marco Reus. The Netherlands lost their captain, Strootman, and probably best CM. Argentina lost Aguero for large portions of the World Cup. Even a team like Belgium lost Benteke but has guys like Miralles and Lukaku and Origi who can come off the bench. My point is that all these teams lost big players but still just brought in another champions league quality player. People will say "but we lost altidore and still did fine" but we had to play Dempsey at lone forward. Some will say we should have had Eddie Johnson or Boyd and I love boyd but seriously? That's our depth? A 23 year Austrian league player with minimal nation team experience or a forward who at the time had been in aweful form for months? Maybe they would have played well I have no idea. Say bradley or jones went down what would we do bring in mix (again a player I like a lot) who is not even a lock starter in the Norwegian league despite playing well for us. I'm rambling now but my point is all those teams I listed had MAJOR injuries yet still had champions league quality players to bring along and still had excellent world cups. Until we have world class players as depth how can we keep saying "awe we don't need him" "we have quality prospects". Maybe Zelalem will be a star or maybe he will be a flop the same could be said for all our prospects but until we know for sure how can we just dismiss them. We should be going hard after every player who is eligible (I realize this is in question in zelalems case) and has any interest at all in playing for us. We should be fighting to get the talent pool as full as deep as possible. In the end say Zelalem is the only one from his age group who reaches his potential. Then we'll regret it.

rotosportsbook
Post #216
Saturday July 26, 2014 5:43pm

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I also want to point that this is not the first time the future appeared to be bright with promising prospects. In 2007 at the U-20 WC, we ran circles around Brazil behind Bradley and Jozy, but also Zizzo and Adu and Szetela. In the end, a lot of top prospects don't shake out, including potentially Zelalem. The more we have the better our chances we end up with some actual contributors.

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #217
Saturday July 26, 2014 9:53pm

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Starting today. Will watch see how he does, hope I'm not wasting my time and this kid gets citizenship...

navi8132
New York
Post #218
Saturday July 26, 2014 11:01pm

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Last game I saw him was against a poor team. This is the first time I have seen him play a solid team (red bulls). Zelalem isn't ready for 1st team ball yet (neither Aresenal 1st team, nor an MLS 1st team). Give him 2-3 years.

Jzaval01
Post #219
Saturday July 26, 2014 11:05pm

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Gotta remember he is 17 but he does look comfortable when he gets the ball. Another thing is that Arsenal have been behind the ball for most of the game until the goal came so he didnt get the ball much.
A pre season Arsenal but at least they are giving them a game unlike Galaxy.

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #220
Saturday July 26, 2014 11:05pm

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Original post from navi8132

Last game I saw him was against a poor team. This is the first time I have seen him play a solid team (red bulls). Zelalem isn't ready for 1st team ball yet (neither Aresenal 1st team, nor an MLS 1st team). Give him 2-3 years.


Agree.

admsghs27
Post #221
Saturday July 26, 2014 11:20pm

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Wasn't impressive at all. And yes he is 17 he will get better, I think Luis gil his age was better. You can tell right off the bat when a star is coming, ronaldo, messi, zlatan etc...

dunlopp9987
Post #222
Saturday July 26, 2014 11:20pm

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Lalas, go home.
COYB!!
Jzaval01
Post #223
Saturday July 26, 2014 11:28pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Wasn't impressive at all. And yes he is 17 he will get better, I think Luis gil his age was better. You can tell right off the bat when a star is coming, ronaldo, messi, zlatan etc...


Well theres a reason why the same Arsenal wanted him at such a young age. The difference is Gil played sporadic 1st team games around that age until he became a starter unlike Zelalem who wont be playing EPL games.

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #224
Saturday July 26, 2014 11:35pm

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Yes he was comfortable on the ball, good to see. Have to say as well he isn't ready for first team ball.. Bet Emerson will prob do better today.

admsghs27
Post #225
Saturday July 26, 2014 11:37pm

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I agree Emerson hyndman will be better.

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