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skangles
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Post #46
Thursday April 25, 2013 1:14am

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If Landon Donovan wants to be an elite RM he's going to have to beat out the likes of Danny Williams!

Seriously, what's the point of these two friendlies? JK is so sure of himself that he feels he has no need to test his own theories. If he's not going to mix things up to see if they work then it's an absolute waste to tire out our regular players before crucial qualifiers. These two friendlies are the ideal situation to toss Donovan out there with absolutely no risk.

The fact that JK won't swallow his pride when his RMs have done absolutely nothing since Landon left with the exception of Zusi having an excellent first half against Jamaica is shameful.

I'm sensing that the most experimental move JK will make in Cleveland or DC will be playing Beasley as a LM.

rainORshine
Post #47
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:18am

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from navi8132

No Jurgen there are not players "clearly ahead" of Landon in his position.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/klinsmann-says-d...


seriously, guys like gomez and zusi are clearly ahead of donovan for a midfield/attacking spot?

well we do know klinsmann is a big fan of "sending messages". its a little much

navi8132
Post #48
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:24am

Joined Jul 2012
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Who says he doesn't actually believe it?

logicoverall
Post #49
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:33am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 209
I don't think that JK doesn't plan to bring Donovan back into the team. He is doing his classic "I'm going to motivate my players by making them think their spot is in jeopardy" thing. By saying what he said, he is being fair to all the players in the player pool who have worked hard at the recent camps to make the team. In the end, Donovan is better than most of them, and should(and likely will) supplant them on the roster.

I don't expect it, but if Donovan does NOTHING for the Galaxy between now and late May, I wouldn't necessarily want him on the roster instead of someone who is in good form.

I think JK's comments are politically correct, if a little brash. He's not going to leave Donovan out of his plans going forward if he is in good form.

rainORshine
Post #50
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:41am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
just say something like

,,,good to see LD back on the field... he has indicated he is motivated to compete for a spot, which is a good thing for the team,,,

LD has earned a little more respect than to be subject to these silly word games

skangles
DC
Post #51
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:53am

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I don't think it's just words. I really don't think JK has any intention right now to actually call up Landon in May based on his comments.

It sounds like Bocanegra on the other hand will have his chance but is facing an uphill battle with the other CBs. Fair point.

''Thankfully now he's back playing the last couple of games in the Spanish second division,'' Klinsmann said. ''At the same time, we have very-kind-of-promising players breaking through, like Omar Gonzalez or Matt Besler and Geoff Cameron. ... Suddenly we have options, and Carlos is aware of that, and Carlos knows at the end of the day it's competition.''

rainORshine
Post #52
Thursday April 25, 2013 3:22am

Joined Dec 2012
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LD was basically injured - mentally. he needed some time off the get healthy. i think it is BS to basically insinuate that he is disloyal... talking about LD he says...

"...we have seen a lot of (other) players coming through and making a big impact, showing they are 1,000 percent committed to the cause and to the team..."

i basically see it as discrimination. if a guy is (truly) physically injured you not going to question their commitment. LD was not mentally in a place to give everything to the team over last few months so he took a little time to get himself right. now he is. just because he decided he needed a to step away briefly should not be evidence, based on his contributions and commitment over the the last dozen years, that he is not 100% in at this point.

LD has basically stated he is all - and he has earned the benefit of any doubt

rainORshine
Post #53
Thursday April 25, 2013 3:26am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
it is time for JK to quit fucking around, get his best players into camp, and let them start the process of building together towards next summer

just another power trip from JK and its pathetic

dolcem
Post #54
Thursday April 25, 2013 9:59am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from navi8132

Landon was having mental health problems, Jurgen has no right to make snide comments about commitment. Imbecile.


If Landon was having "mental health problems" than I don't want him on the team for at least a couple months...he needs to prove to himself and everyone else that he is 100% mentally ready to come back to the game. And if playing too many games is what brought him these "mental health problems," than we need to let him play for a little while before we rush him back into the NT picture. That could result in him burning out again.

I think we're all forgetting that Landon QUIT. He walked away from his club and national team commitments. This isn't an injury we're talking about. I'm not trying to bash Landon for being mentally weak or anything (although let's not forget that his schedule was no more grueling than what any of the top players have to go through and you rarely see any of them quit) but we do have to put this into perspective. While I'm glad if he took a break if that was what he needed, he doesn't get his spot immediately back, no matter how desperately we need him (and we do). Nowhere else in the world would you see a player quit his national and club team, decide to come back, and then immediately get his NT spot back. If it was 4/25/2014, then it'd be totally different. I'd probably want to see Landon get his NT spot back immediately. Luckily it isn't, so we have time to treat the situation like we normally should.

Landon is of course an absolute must for the 2014 World Cup but if he isn't brought into the May Camp I won't be too broken up about it (he just started playing for his club level, it might be best for him to stick with the Galaxy and get a good run of games in). The World Cup is all that really matters so it's not vital that we rush things. We haven't even made the list yet so I don't know what the big deal is.

As far as Klinsmann's comments go? I don't mind them at all. What is he supposed to do, come out and say that Landon gets his spot back no matter what? He was a little blunt but he said what had to be said...other players have been putting the time in and, right now, are ahead of him on the depth chart. Let's not forget that Klinsmann has known Landon for a while and that Klinsmann is widely regarded as a great motivator. This is someone who understands sports psychology better than any of us. So if he thinks that it's best for the team and Landon to be bullish in public on whether or not he's coming back any time soon, I'm not going to get mad about it.
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bbakerxyz
Post #55
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
JK's a cock, no doubt, but did anyone expect him to say anything different about LD? It's all good. Lando will continue to play, he'll show he's back, and then he'll get back on the team. JK won't stop being a dick for at least another 9 months.

logicoverall
Post #56
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:16pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 209
Original post from dolcem

If Landon was having "mental health problems" than I don't want him on the team for at least a couple months...he needs to prove to himself and everyone else that he is 100% mentally ready to come back to the game. And if playing too many games is what brought him these "mental health problems," than we need to let him play for a little while before we rush him back into the NT picture. That could result in him burning out again.

I think we're all forgetting that Landon QUIT. He walked away from his club and national team commitments. This isn't an injury we're talking about. I'm not trying to bash Landon for being mentally weak or anything (although let's not forget that his schedule was no more grueling than what any of the top players have to go through and you rarely see any of them quit) but we do have to put this into perspective. While I'm glad if he took a break if that was what he needed, he doesn't get his spot immediately back, no matter how desperately we need him (and we do). Nowhere else in the world would you see a player quit his national and club team, decide to come back, and then immediately get his NT spot back. If it was 4/25/2014, then it'd be totally different. I'd probably want to see Landon get his NT spot back immediately. Luckily it isn't, so we have time to treat the situation like we normally should.

Landon is of course an absolute must for the 2014 World Cup but if he isn't brought into the May Camp I won't be too broken up about it (he just started playing for his club level, it might be best for him to stick with the Galaxy and get a good run of games in). The World Cup is all that really matters so it's not vital that we rush things. We haven't even made the list yet so I don't know what the big deal is.

As far as Klinsmann's comments go? I don't mind them at all. What is he supposed to do, come out and say that Landon gets his spot back no matter what? He was a little blunt but he said what had to be said...other players have been putting the time in and, right now, are ahead of him on the depth chart. Let's not forget that Klinsmann has known Landon for a while and that Klinsmann is widely regarded as a great motivator. This is someone who understands sports psychology better than any of us. So if he thinks that it's best for the team and Landon to be bullish in public on whether or not he's coming back any time soon, I'm not going to get mad about it.


Agreed 100%.

USAfan90
Los Angeles
Post #57
Thursday April 25, 2013 2:55pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 46
I'm not saying that Donovan has his place in the USNMT set up for him. He has to come in and prove that is still the best player in USNMT and that is been need it. @Dolcem "Nowhere else in the world would you see a player quit his national and club team, decide to come back, and then immediately get his NT spot back." I can tell you that Zlatan Ibrahimović quit the National Team for a short time and came back. Suazo quiet Chile for a couple of time and came back, and are few more I can't recall but like I said early Donovan has to be back to the USNMT and prove that he is still the best player and 100 or 110% more. Once again is just my opinion.
USAfan90
dolcem
Post #58
Thursday April 25, 2013 3:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from USAfan90

I'm not saying that Donovan has his place in the USNMT set up for him. He has to come in and prove that is still the best player in USNMT and that is been need it. @Dolcem "Nowhere else in the world would you see a player quit his national and club team, decide to come back, and then immediately get his NT spot back." I can tell you that Zlatan Ibrahimović quit the National Team for a short time and came back. Suazo quiet Chile for a couple of time and came back, and are few more I can't recall but like I said early Donovan has to be back to the USNMT and prove that he is still the best player and 100 or 110% more. Once again is just my opinion.


But the circumstances surrounding these cases were different. But Landon quit his club team too. He took a break from the sport itself. Big difference. The coach shouldn't immediately call up a player who just got back from a break from soccer after saying he didn't want to play anymore. Let's wait and see if he continues to play well for the Galaxy and prove to everyone that he still has the drive and ability. One game isn't enough.

We all want Landon back on the team. No one, including Klinsmann, say that's not going to happen. And I'd bet my life savings he'll be there at the 2014 World Cup, which is all that matters (we're gonna qualify). This is just a discussion over whether or not he should get brought back in immediately or not. I wouldn't mind if we decided to wait a bit. I don't think we should just give him his spot back after playing a couple games, not to mention it'd be better for him to get a good run of games in for the Galaxy, recapture his form, and then come to us a fully energized player. It's not like the World Cup is in a month.
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richieJkulesaNY
Post #59
Thursday April 25, 2013 5:11pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 941
You guys think too much. If Donovan is fit and is the better option come May/June, he should start. If Zusi or whoever is the better option, then he should play. Klinsmann can play all the head games he wants, but ultimately, it better come down to who's the best option for US. Personally, I just dont care about about the past.

Bshredder
Post #60
Thursday April 25, 2013 5:18pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
If Donovan is playing well, Kinsmann will have to take him. Chandler quit the USMNT and Klinsmann took him back ASAP.

If Donovan is playing well, Klinsmann will be forced into taking him.

The worst scenerio for JK would be for him to drop Donovan this summer and Landon to go on a serious roll with LA as the USMNT is in camp and playing games. That would be a nightmare and JK could loose support of the team, fans, and media.

Particularly at wing, there are not better players than Donovan right now. I like Zusi but he's not a pure winger. Neither is Gomez or EJ where JK has played them. Shea isn't getting time and there is no way Gatt is better than LD right now.

It's fine if JK is trying to light a fire under LD, but if he really doesn't take LD for these important games and if he really honestly believes that there are better players than LD, that could be a disaster.

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