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rainORshine
Post #76
Saturday January 25, 2014 10:54pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from Dimo

I'm with you on the L and RWB in theory. But as many posters have pointed out, it is very difficult to use that formation internationally. The players have to know their positions perfectly in order for it to work.


yea, i get this point. ill continue with the same counter point...

2002 WC

arena basically pulled these tactics out for the first time AFTER the final group game, after getting hammered by poland (US was down 0-3 after 66 mins) in a game they went into thinking they needed a result

arena basically said "you know what, s korea gave us a lifeline (by beating portugal), we backed into KO round after having our butts kicked by poland... lets role the dice, make a bold move, try to make some history..."

he switched to a 3-5-2, beat mexico and gave germany all they could handle

arena basically knew that to do something big probably required something a little unorthodox. getting out of this group will also require a bold move or two, i presume

and there is just no argument that we dont have just about the perfect guys to run that system

besler and cameron are very good options for the OCB spots
you could not have better WB options than fab and chandler
goodson or gonzo are both solid CCB options

Mojofc
Post #77
Saturday January 25, 2014 10:57pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 966
Rain, assuming JK was withholding Chandler for his lack of team discipline, do you honestly want JK to say Evans is our second best RB behind Chandler?

It's called motivation to the players, he doesn't speak to make fans happy, his main goal is to motivate his squad. Is he lying? No, it's called being a manager. Speaking the truth isn't always the best option.

But anyways... I do hope Chandler is brought back into the squad unless JK feels what Chandler has previously done will harm the team mentality heading into the WC.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
Dimo
Post #78
Saturday January 25, 2014 11:05pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
We all seem to agree on something, or at least are very close to being in agreement. Very rare.

rainORshine
Post #79
Saturday January 25, 2014 11:21pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from Mojofc

Rain, assuming JK was withholding Chandler for his lack of team discipline, do you honestly want JK to say Evans is our second best RB behind Chandler?

It's called motivation to the players, he doesn't speak to make fans happy, his main goal is to motivate his squad. Is he lying? No, it's called being a manager. Speaking the truth isn't always the best option.

But anyways... I do hope Chandler is brought back into the squad unless JK feels what Chandler has previously done will harm the team mentality heading into the WC.


yea i hear that. some of this comes back to media. if they ask

"whats going on with chandler?"

and JK responds

"well, he is just behind the guys that are getting called"

the media folks really need to follow up with

"really? how is possible that a 23 y/o who has been a regular starter in bundesliga for 2-3 years already is not good enough to be a regular call-up. with all due respect to other guys getting called in and getting minutes at RB, seems like there must be more to it...?

and then JK can give us some more BS or he can address it... but he knows that everyone thinks its fishy

dunlopp9987
Post #80
Saturday January 25, 2014 11:21pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
Original post from rainORshine

yea, i get this point. ill continue with the same counter point...

2002 WC

arena basically pulled these tactics out for the first time AFTER the final group game, after getting hammered by poland (US was down 0-3 after 66 mins) in a game they went into thinking they needed a result

arena basically said "you know what, s korea gave us a lifeline (by beating portugal), we backed into KO round after having our butts kicked by poland... lets role the dice, make a bold move, try to make some history..."

he switched to a 3-5-2, beat mexico and gave germany all they could handle

arena basically knew that to do something big probably required something a little unorthodox. getting out of this group will also require a bold move or two, i presume

and there is just no argument that we dont have just about the perfect guys to run that system

besler and cameron are very good options for the OCB spots
you could not have better WB options than fab and chandler
goodson or gonzo are both solid CCB options


The problem with making a drastic and surprising change to formation or tactics right before an important game or games is that if it backfires and we get embarrassed, then everyone (including yourself) will say that Jurgen has completely lost the plot and doesn't deserve his job.

A truly thankless job, being a national team manager.
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EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #81
Saturday January 25, 2014 11:57pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,118
I think most would agree Chandler is a good option. IDK if anyone would want Evans picked over him. But 3-5-2 just isn't in the cards. Different managers, different opponents, everything is different from 2002.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #82
Saturday January 25, 2014 11:57pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
Wouldn't mind seeing a 3-5-2 used against South Korea and Ukraine, but Klinsmann comes form the 4 backline method. So it's highly unlikely we see that formation.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #83
Sunday January 26, 2014 2:50am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,486
3-5-2 is a lot of fun to play if your team is good in possession and you have fast intelligent guys in the back that communicate really well...basically three sweeper quality defenders. You can apply a lot of pressure up field. For all we know, JK might have this in his back pocket, but he isn't going to show us anything cool that works really, really well until he needs to... probably basic vanilla while he refines the roster...it's all happening in training boys, far from our inquiring eyes.

MSantoine
Post #84
Sunday January 26, 2014 3:36am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
One thing to remember is if we switch to a 3-5-2 it's really switching to a 5-3-2 as other then Ghana we'll be defending most of the time. I'm ok with it as we going to be on our heels a lot anyways. I could see something like

Joey-Clint
Landon-mb-jones/Sacha/zusi
Fab-Belser-Omar/brooks-cam-chandler
Howard

It definitely puts a lot of our best players in their best positions to succeed. Clint doesn't defend and plays as a striker anyways (we'd play a 3-5-1-1 in reality). Landon can slot in underneath and work with Clint in over lapping. We also don't have the need for a true #6 with the extra cb.

rainORshine
Post #85
Sunday January 26, 2014 3:44am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from MSantoine

One thing to remember is if we switch to a 3-5-2 it's really switching to a 5-3-2 as other then Ghana we'll be defending most of the time. I'm ok with it as we going to be on our heels a lot anyways. I could see something like

Joey-Clint
Landon-mb-jones/Sacha/zusi
Fab-Belser-Omar/brooks-cam-chandler
Howard

It definitely puts a lot of our best players in their best positions to succeed. Clint doesn't defend and plays as a striker anyways (we'd play a 3-5-1-1 in reality). Landon can slot in underneath and work with Clint in over lapping. We also don't have the need for a true #6 with the extra cb.


well, if you want to try to get those WBs forward, a six could come in handy

something like

--------altidore--------------
------------donovan----------
-----kljestan-------bradley-------
fabian-------williams-------chandler
-----besler-goodson-cameron-----

lots of combos could be interesting, though

Live490
Texas
Post #86
Sunday January 26, 2014 4:31am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Pretty good lineup Rain, I like that one. Of course if those ppl stay sharp it would be sweet.

joey11
Post #87
Sunday January 26, 2014 7:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 278
I guess I'm in the minority when I say I really don't care if Chandler returns. Yes he is a good player but he's "screwed" the NT over and over. If I were a teammate I'd worry once in Brazil he may decide to pull out because too much flying or something. No I don't think Evens is better but more reliable.

Did I miss something? What is Dolo's status? Is he totally out of WC consideration? Haven't heard much about him. I thought he was back playing again.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #88
Sunday January 26, 2014 8:12pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
Formations are not tactics.

This is a very good read if you guys get the chance...

http://americansoccernow.com/articles/double-...

blaise213
Post #89
Sunday January 26, 2014 8:57pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,927
@ richieJkulesaNY

I cant believe I missed that article. The starting XI is exactly what I want to see. I left a comment and then realized the article was 2 months old.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #90
Sunday January 26, 2014 9:23pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,404
I've never read an article that broke down formations like that. Very good read and I like the formation suggested. It puts our best players on the field. switch chandler with Cameron and I'd love it even more.

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