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Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #61
Tuesday March 26, 2013 5:44am

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Shea is "somewhat" injured, and corona isnt ahead of anyone, he got called because he plays in mexico(and has been getting pt). If it was a game in europe gatt would be there. Pontius hasnt gotten a chance to do anything for the NT so we dont know where he would be for us. EJ will play.

If there was an injury at CB Jurgen would shift the line up not put fiscal on..but true 23rd man..who cares..just rather see gatt get the experience.

Lilshmike
Post #62
Tuesday March 26, 2013 5:51am

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I like Gatt, but he is raw. Needs to strengthen his skills, more importantly his footwork, before he is seriously an option

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #63
Tuesday March 26, 2013 6:08am

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Iv watched him a bit, he more importantly needs to strengthen his vision on the field and passing/picking out players(he holds the ball alittle to long)..footwork is ok. He is raw true, but I have no doubt Gatt will grow into a great USMNT player. The Azteca experience would of been good for him tho..even on the bench.

Lykou11601
Post #64
Tuesday March 26, 2013 6:51am

Joined Mar 2013
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I get that fiscal was brought in as the 23rd man. Thing is, we lost Jones (one of the better in the starting XI). That is why this is a bit odd. I'm not too bent out of shape about it but we could have benefited with a Pontius call-up.

dolcem
Post #65
Tuesday March 26, 2013 7:10am

Joined Nov 2012
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Losing Jones was a big blow. He is arguably our best field player. The line-up will be this now:

Altidore
Gomez Dempsey EJ
Bradley Edu
Beasley Goodson Gonzalez Cameron
Guzan

Hopefully Corona gets subbed on.

I can't believe the level of optimism though. With all of our injuries a point we be a dream. The possibility of winning is near zero. We've never done it before (in a competitive match) why would we do it now when we're missing so many starters and Mexico is as good as they ever have been?

Original post from Scout92

Iv watched him a bit, he more importantly needs to strengthen his vision on the field and passing/picking out players(he holds the ball alittle to long)..footwork is ok. He is raw true, but I have no doubt Gatt will grow into a great USMNT player. The Azteca experience would of been good for him tho..even on the bench.


I think it's too soon to say he'll definitely be a USNT player, we can't predict the future. And I don't see it happening. He has pace and nothing else. His form at the club level is inconsistent and he still hasn't made it out of Norway yet. If he gets transferred to the Eredevisie and plays well there than he would be a good player for us. But I don't see that happening. And the coaching staff agrees. They have gotten plenty of looks at him and don't seem to rate him highly, which is why he didn't get called up.
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Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #66
Tuesday March 26, 2013 8:39am

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Original post from dolcem

Losing Jones was a big blow. He is arguably our best field player. The line-up will be this now:

Altidore
Gomez Dempsey EJ
Bradley Edu
Beasley Goodson Gonzalez Cameron
Guzan

Hopefully Corona gets subbed on.

I can't believe the level of optimism though. With all of our injuries a point we be a dream. The possibility of winning is near zero. We've never done it before (in a competitive match) why would we do it now when we're missing so many starters and Mexico is as good as they ever have been?

I think it's too soon to say he'll definitely be a USNT player, we can't predict the future. And I don't see it happening. He has pace and nothing else. His form at the club level is inconsistent and he still hasn't made it out of Norway yet. If he gets transferred to the Eredevisie and plays well there than he would be a good player for us. But I don't see that happening. And the coaching staff agrees. They have gotten plenty of looks at him and don't seem to rate him highly, which is why he didn't get called up.


Haha you know he is only 21 right..? He has a long career ahead of him if he stays healthy. Is there any other american 21yr olds that plays for a quality team in europe that you know about..? I dont think so..he is young and raw, he has plenty of time to develop, gatt is on the right path to have a successful US career staying in norway. Or do you want him to move to a bigger club to soon like adu(benfica) and jozy(villareal) did and get no PT and hurt his development.. He plays for the best team in norway, solskjaer has nothing but praise for him..he even told ferguson to look at him. He isnt ready for the NT level now true, but he will be a key player in the future no doubt.

dolcem
Post #67
Tuesday March 26, 2013 9:25am

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Original post from Scout92

Haha you know he is only 21 right..? He has a long career ahead of him if he stays healthy. Is there any other american 21yr olds that plays for a quality team in europe that you know about..? I dont think so..he is young and raw, he has plenty of time to develop, gatt is on the right path to have a successful US career staying in norway. Or do you want him to move to a bigger club to soon like adu(benfica) and jozy(villareal) did and get no PT and hurt his development.. He plays for the best team in norway, solskjaer has nothing but praise for him..he even told ferguson to look at him. He isnt ready for the NT level now true, but he will be a key player in the future no doubt.


21 isn't all that young for a winger.

He wouldn't get a transfer to a place like Villarreal or Benfica as clubs like that wouldn't be interested (Altidore and Adu were teens). As I said I think he'd be a good fit for a mid to low table Eredevisie side.

He has gotten some praise for Solskjaer but he also has been inconsistent. The standard just isn't high where he's playing. If he plays well enough to get a transfer to a better league he will and hopefully at that point he'll get PT there and be able to contribute to the national team. But until then he's not really in the conversation and I'm not sold on him at all. He doesn't have anything other than pace and he's injury prone. He has played in Norway for awhile now and still hasn't gotten out of there yet. That to me shows that not a lot of people rate him. The Norwegian league doesn't exactly produce a lot of good players. How many 21 year olds play in Norway? And how many of them end up leaving to play in better leagues?

You're right that we don't have a lot of young guys playing in Europe and that's because we're in between generations. Our NT isn't that good at the moment and we don't have any young guys that are ready to step up. But I'm really excited for the U-20's though, I could see some of those guys making their way to Europe in the future. But the U-23's (Gatt, Shea, Adu, Agudelo), the ones who should be playing for their clubs and getting into the senior team picture, had potential but at this point haven't achieved very much. The jury is still out on them but I have a feeling that none of them will turn out to be good USNT players. I think Agudelo has the best chance but I'm not holding my breath.
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recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #68
Tuesday March 26, 2013 2:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Saw the U-23's against Mexico before they flopped out of the olympic qualifiers and thought that Gyau shows a lot of promise down the flanks, and can't imagine why he hasn't been brought into the senior fold yet...reminds me of a young Charlie Davies.

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #69
Tuesday March 26, 2013 3:35pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
I would like to see

Gomez Altidore
EJ Dempsey Corona
Bradley
Beasley Goodson Gonzalez Cameron
Guzan

I agree with you @Scout92, we do need gatt eventually. And @dolcem he's going to be well above EJ and Shea as soon as we give him consistent minutes at the Senior level. He'll be a starter during the Gold Cup which is perfect for him. But Fiscal was the right call up for depth.

Know Nothing
Post #70
Tuesday March 26, 2013 5:43pm

Joined Jan 2013
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I too like Gyau...the one thing he has over the others imho is that he understands the game better than the others. Gatt at this point of his career is till learning the game...he has skills, but he is too much of a bull right now, always looking to charge forward. Shea has good skill, but ponders on the ball too much for me.

Gyau was born into the game..he is a third generation professional and has a better understanding of the flow of the game than the other potential wide players.

dolcem
Post #71
Tuesday March 26, 2013 5:49pm

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Gyau has really struggled to get playing time in the 2. Bundesliga. He's not that young either. I'm not sure he's any better than Gatt.
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Know Nothing
Post #72
Tuesday March 26, 2013 6:02pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Perhaps dolcem, but from what I have seen from Gatt, he is an all or nothing type player who is just as likely to do the spectacular as he is to lose the ball in a bad spot on the field. Sort of like Gerard of England.

I will admit a bias towards Gyau in that I grew up watching his grandfather play and played with his father.

navi8132
New York
Post #73
Tuesday March 26, 2013 6:47pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Gyau has not had consistent playing time yet, he hasn't gone through that stage of development, Gatt has.

Know Nothing
Post #74
Tuesday March 26, 2013 7:43pm

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True navi, but switch their situations...I dare say Gatt would not get that much time in Germany either and I dare say Gyau would certainly have had as much success as Gatt has had in Norway.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #75
Tuesday March 26, 2013 7:47pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,840
These USMNT players have a certain calm confidence about them. I like it. I get the feeling this could be a long night for Mexico.

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