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2tone
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Post #1
Thursday March 21, 2013 3:44pm

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Blatter states that if Qatar askas for winter WC then the countries that lost can ask for a re-bid.

What do you think of these developments?

Getting more obvious that the vote was bought?

I have to say if there is a re-bid then Australia and the US are front runners.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #2
Thursday March 21, 2013 3:59pm

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being so far out and the new modern climate controlling technology for stadiums available (currently in use at the new Cowboys Stadium here in Texas), they're going to have to spend a little bit more money to outfit the stadiums with those A/C units, but they're stupid rich and would rather fork out that dough than lose the tourney.

Qatar, being such an emerging tourism and business center, will not risk losing the tourney due to the heat and will spend whatever they have to (as evidenced by them being given the tourney in the first place) to make sure that they keep it.

However, considering the fact that the Australian and American leagues are really starting to gain traction, one of us is bound to be awarded a tourney in the next round of selections.

Loche Achles
Post #3
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:06pm

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There is nothing more disgusting that this round of FIFA selections. Russia I thought was a pretty solid choice. I did think though that either the US or Japan should've had a look. Australia after that... Only because of the growth in the national teams and domestic leagues (like why Russia was a solid pick).

Qatar is a black hole of soccer development. They will never have a serious league, IMO, and if they do it will be because of gallons of oil money. When that is gone in fifty years... You can kiss it goodbye.

Also, an oil finance center in the middle east, sure, after Dubai. I wouldn't go so far as saying its a tourism place though!

I work in oil and travel to all these places... So hence my opinion on the subject.

stone88
Post #4
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:07pm

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Well then, it looks like the players will be playing in 120 degree heat unless the Quataris can manage to build a number of the worlds largest outdoor refrigerator stadiums.

Bshredder
Post #5
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:15pm

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Original post from 2tone

Blatter states that if Qatar askas for winter WC then the countries that lost can ask for a re-bid.

What do you think of these developments?

Getting more obvious that the vote was bought?

I have to say if there is a re-bid then Australia and the US are front runners.


Gulati has said he's not interested in bidding anymore unless reforms are made. I actually agree. Nothing has really changed.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #6
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:16pm

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The new Cowboys stadium stays in the 70's year-round, even when it's 108 down here...and like I said before, throwing up a few $100M stadiums would be nothing for them.

MSantoine
Post #7
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:21pm

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My guess for future World cups.

2026- Australia or China
2030- England or Spain
2034- USA vs Mexico. At that point it will have been 40 years with NA hosted so it'll be hard for FIFA to give it back to Africa or SA at this time.

Id be shocked if we get it before 2034.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #8
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:31pm

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Original post from MSantoine

My guess for future World cups.

2026- Australia or China
2030- England or Spain
2034- USA vs Mexico. At that point it will have been 40 years with NA hosted so it'll be hard for FIFA to give it back to Africa or SA at this time.

Id be shocked if we get it before 2034.


I just want to remind you that WC's rotate condfederations now. So if it stays in Qatar for 2022 which is Asia then Australia and China can't bid for 2026.

Europe gets 2018, Asia, 2022, so it comes to the America's for 2026. Mexico and the US will be the two countries from North America that will make bids. Since Brasil gets 2014 it is highly unlikely a South American Country will get 2026.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #9
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:33pm

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Original post from Bshredder

Gulati has said he's not interested in bidding anymore unless reforms are made. I actually agree. Nothing has really changed.


Interesting. But as always actions are louder than words.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #10
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:34pm

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considering that the US hosted the most recent one between our two countries, I'd expect Mexico to get it first. That said, however, I think our infrastructure and the number of stadiums that we have to offer may give us the trump card.

Lilshmike
Post #11
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:45pm

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I think the entire situation with this is ridiculous, and FIFA really needs to reconsider. I am all for spreading the beautiful game to other parts of the world, but lets think about this one.

Issue 1
Its going to be 120 degrees in Qatar during the summer, and that is going to be a major problem. They have tried to come up with ways to compensate for that but here is what they have so far.
1 - Move the World cup to the winter. This can simply not happen. It will throw off the entire international club schedule and screw it over for both the year previous and the year following the World Cup because leagues will have to find a way to adjust and make up for games during a point in time when they would regularly be in the middle of their seasons.
2 - Make brand new, state of the art indoor stadiums. Right now they are discussing building brand new, state of the art stadiums that will be completely enclosed. These stadiums will have indoor cooling systems that will reduce the temperature from the 120 degree outside heat, to a mild 60-70 degree environment. That is good in theory, but the only problem is that if for some reason a system malfunctions, the temperature will be 120 degrees outside and 150 degrees inside.
3 - Create giant balloon disks that will float above the stadiums. This idea essentially consists of making a bunch of blimps that will float above the stadium, block out the sun, put the entire area in shade, and ultimately lower the temperature. I am not making this up either. But honestly, does anyone think that it would really work? Its crazy talk.

Issue 2
Qatar is a country with a population of about 2 million people. It is pretty far away, and not to mention the middle east isn't exactly a very popular travel destination. It would be hard to imagine many people wanting to travel to that country in order to watch a world cup. And also like before, the heat will be unbearable for those who are not used to it. Qatar talked about creating air conditioned streets for tourists, but again, lets be real here. There wont be a big turn out because the population is small and people aren't going to want to travel there.

Issue 3
Due to the culture in Qatar, women need to cover their face when they are out in public. Not only that, but women barely have any rights and aren't seen as equal citizens. That isn't exactly going be attractive for any woman who wants to travel there to watch it.

Issue 4
In Qatar, alcohol is illegal. Only if you go to select luxury places, you are non-Muslim, you are a foreigner, and you obtain a permit that allows you to consume alcohol can you actually have alcohol. Seeing as though Budweiser, one of the biggest sponsors of the World Cup, is a beer company, that could be a big problem. Not only that, but who wants to go to a World Cup and not be able to drink? Another reason that will deter people from going and keep people at home and out of the stands.

Issue 5
With all of the above problems, they have also discussed an issue of having a World Cup with half-empty stadiums. Their response to this potential problem would be a way to project holograms into the stands to make them appear more full and to play crowd noises over the speakers. I am not making this up. Again, are you serious? Let's be real here...

Lilshmike
Post #12
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:49pm

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And as far as Russia 2018 goes, that may be the most racist country in Europe. Serbia might be worse, but Russia is terrible with racism. There is no way that the African teams want to go out on the field and have bananas throw at them by fans. And the same goes for black players on other nations squads.

I'm not saying that it will be bad place to have a World Cup, but in my opinion it may cause some serious issues with some of the teams and get some pretty negative press.

Loche Achles
Post #13
Thursday March 21, 2013 5:11pm

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Russia will definitely embarrass itself with racism, I'm sure of it. But their government is very interested in saving face generally so I'd expect heavy hands from the Kremlin keeping that at a relative minimum (compared to normal league events).

As for Qatar... Well everything you said. And as I mentioned above... It really is a hopeless desert island... It will be the world's largest museum in fifty years... A place people visit to see the ruins of once great steel towers and such. Like a true to life sci-fi movie. Because once the oil is gone, so is Qatar.

admsghs27
Post #14
Thursday March 21, 2013 7:14pm

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Qatar is a terrible place for a wc but $ talks... Their gonna end up having it in the summer with ac stadiums... The only problem is people tailgating outside before the game... I bet theres gonna be a lot of heat related problems... As for 2026 is gonna be asia or australia, and 2030 im sure is gonna be in uruguay for the 100 yr anniversary..

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #15
Thursday March 21, 2013 7:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
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didn't think about the centennial, you're probably right about that being in Uruguay.

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