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MSantoine
Post #1
Thursday March 21, 2013 3:03am

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Anyone catch his comments? He said only those born in USA should play for US. Really? The following World cup players were born outside of the US yet called in by Arena.

Mastroeni
Regis
Stewart
Agoos
Llamosa

So Arena thought it ok to call in foreign born americans in 02 and 06 but JK cant. What a clown

thisguy2
Inland empire
Post #2
Thursday March 21, 2013 3:58am

Joined Dec 2012
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The dude is a damn prick, never liked the guy.. Another hypocrite of the U.S national team. He needs sit down and worry about the L.A Galaxy and their upcoming game against a strong Monterrey team.
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Post #3
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:21am

Joined Jul 2012
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yes Arena is a hypocrite but the difference between Arena and Klinsmen is that the dual nationals Arena called up actually played in America and he didn't overrate the dual nationals or at least thats what I think I could be totally wrong

Bshredder
Post #4
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:41am

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First of all, I think Arena misspoke. Actually, I know he misspoke.

He said he wants only players born in the USA. But I'm sure he's not talking about people who immigrated here or who came here at an early age.

He's not talking about Mastroeni, Adu, Agoos, Feilhaer, or those types. He's talking about the use or the overuse of players who never lived in the United States and have had little connection to the country.

Now I disagree with Arena because you can't paint all the German-American type of players with one brush. Just as I know some of them care deeply about the USMNT, I can't say that it's the same for all of them. I spoke to a dual national once who turned down the USMNT because he "certainly didn't feel American." It happens.

That being said, I think Arena main point is that he wants to roll the dice with players that were somewhat produced in this country. I don't think he has anything against Americans born and raised overseas. This isn't the first time he's made these type of comments. In other interviews he's said that the spirit of the international game is that the players have a connection to the country.

Controversial? Yes. But does the guy care about the US national team? Yes. Does he want the United States to develop great players? Yes. Does he want MLS grow into an elite league? Yes. Did the guy do good things for the US national team when he was the coach? Yes.

There really is no point jumping all over Arena over this. You can disagree, and I somewhat do (although I think he's right that it's a better sign of progress when American produced talent succeeds internationally), but while I disagree I respect him and his point of view doesn't cross the line to the point where I think what he said is outrageous

blaise213
Post #5
Thursday March 21, 2013 6:36am

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[quote]Original post from Bshredder

I spoke to a dual national once who turned down the USMNT because he "certainly didn't feel American." It happens.

Thomas Delaney ?

MSantoine
Post #6
Thursday March 21, 2013 11:23am

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Original post from Bshredder

He said he wants only players born in the USA. But I'm sure he's not talking about people who immigrated here or who came here at an early age.

He's not talking about Mastroeni, Adu, Agoos, Feilhaer, or those types. He's talking about the use or the overuse of players who never lived in the United States and have had little connection to the country.


I'lll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one as public speaking was never his strong suit. Again I think the perfect coach would be someone in the middle of his developed in the US philosophy and JK's strong lean towards developed overseas. Would Arena turn away JAB? Gyau? Kiesssewetter? What about some of these MX Prospects? Saying bold print worthy material is a good way to get your words thrown in your face.

dolcem
Post #7
Thursday March 21, 2013 1:05pm

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BShredder makes some good points.

We don't want too many players without any connection to the US. What will make the USNT popular in the US and sell it to the public is the fact that these guys are Americans who are willing to die for the shirt. That desire and grit has been a huge part of our success in the past and we don't want to lose that with mercenary type players.

On the other hand, if we didn't have these German players we'd be screwed (imagine our situation at fullback). I think it's really great that Jones was the first one (and a veteran) because he's sort of their leader and he plays with a lot of passion. And of course there's a lot of grey area, especially with the Mexican players.

Now as far as Arena goes, I don't think he "misspoke." How could you misspeak so badly in public? We're putting words in his mouth that are completely different than the ones he said. I know he's not a great public speaker but that is way too big of a mistake for such an inexperienced coach. He knows what he is doing. He's trying to generate some negative press about the NT because if Klinsmann is fired (which a lot of fans are calling for) than he has a good chance at getting the job.
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Bshredder
Post #8
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:25pm

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Original post from dolcem

On the other hand, if we didn't have these German players we'd be screwed (imagine our situation at fullback). I think it's really great that Jones was the first one (and a veteran) because he's sort of their leader and he plays with a lot of passion. And of course there's a lot of grey area, especially with the Mexican players.


The sad reality is that the German-Americans have yet to meet their high expectations. Jones is a good player and has only had a few nice moments for the USMNT.

Chandler had a nice debut against Argentina and a good game against Ecuador but the rest haven't been good outings. He hasn't come close to meeting his potential.

Williams, had one stellar performance against Jamaica at home last year but hasn't really been a standout player (Granted he was playing out of position on the right wing half the time).

Boyd looks to have a nice future but it's still potential right now. I do remain optimistic but the results aren't there (yet).

Morales and Yelldell were more or less nonfactors so far.

The only real German American that has been essential to the US team (SO FAR) is Fabian Johnson. He's been an above average left back and could also be a big time midfielder as well. Getting FJ is was huge and there is no other way to put it.

Asside from FJ, I don't really see anything from the German contingent that has lived up to expectations so far. But I fully admit that could change at some point and I think Boyd could be the next to break through.

Original post from dolcem
Now as far as Arena goes, I don't think he "misspoke." How could you misspeak so badly in public? We're putting words in his mouth that are completely different than the ones he said. I know he's not a great public speaker but that is way too big of a mistake for such an inexperienced coach. He knows what he is doing. He's trying to generate some negative press about the NT because if Klinsmann is fired (which a lot of fans are calling for) than he has a good chance at getting the job.


He misspoke because I have seen him say similar stuff in other interviews.

For example, compare a guy like Benny Feilhaber to Aron Johannsson. One was born in the USA and one was not. However, the one that was born abroad came here at an early age (I think it was 5) and developed here. The other left when he was just a baby and was born in the USA simply because his parents were here temporarily when studying abroad.

I don't even think Bruce would say Aron is more connected to the USA than Benny. He misspeaks all the time but he's not stupid at all.

dolcem
Post #9
Thursday March 21, 2013 4:47pm

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Original post from Bshredder

The sad reality is that the German-Americans have yet to meet their high expectations. Jones is a good player and has only had a few nice moments for the USMNT.


I agree for the most part, mainly I was referring to FJ and possibly Chandler (if Cherundolo isn't an option for 2014, which is a real possibility). At the moment we don't have any other fullbacks so they are very vital players. Chandler had a bad game against Honduras but he is getting used to those kinds of games. He's good for his club team and has had some very good games for the Nats.

Williams is young and has a lot of time to develop. He has been playing very well for his club team recently and I could see him emerging as an important player to us. Jones is obviously very good but hasn't been great for the NT. IMO this is because we don't have attacking mids for him to pass the ball to. I really like his passion though and he's essential because he imparts that to the new German-Americans. Boyd? Could be good later, we'll see, but he's 3rd on the depth chart at the moment. But of course we are stacked at CM/DM so Jones and Williams aren't too essential. Mainly I was talking about the situation at fullback.

Original post from Bshredder
He misspoke because I have seen him say similar stuff in other interviews.

For example, compare a guy like Benny Feilhaber to Aron Johannsson. One was born in the USA and one was not. However, the one that was born abroad came here at an early age (I think it was 5) and developed here. The other left when he was just a baby and was born in the USA simply because his parents were here temporarily when studying abroad.

I don't even think Bruce would say Aron is more connected to the USA than Benny. He misspeaks all the time but he's not stupid at all.


Of course I wasn't accusing Arena of stupidity. I was accusing him of trying to maneuver his way into the coaching position.
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MSantoine
Post #10
Thursday March 21, 2013 6:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from dolcem

On the other hand, if we didn't have these German players we'd be screwed (imagine our situation at fullback).


We dont have to imagine it. We'll see it tomorrow night and next week vs Mexico


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