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admsghs27
Post #181
Monday December 22, 2014 7:11pm

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I don't get it how do most players get work permits in England and not agudelo ? I mean the English league is made up of mostly imported players.

Mojofc
Post #182
Monday December 22, 2014 7:17pm

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Agudelo didn't have recent caps, that was his main problem imo. Also that it wasn't for a top team, never helps their cause.
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navi8132
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Post #183
Monday December 22, 2014 7:20pm

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Agudelo will continue a downward spiral. Because when a swagged young person has a choice between a wise responsible decision and a swag-a-liscious decision, it goes for a swag-a-liscious decision.

Know Nothing
Post #184
Monday December 22, 2014 8:19pm

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Original post from admsghs27

I don't get it how do most players get work permits in England and not agudelo ? I mean the English league is made up of mostly imported players.


Depends on situation. For non EU players the easiest route is to move to the continent where the requirements are more lenient, establish yourself in a side, and then it is pretty much straightforward depending on your nationality. If you are from a world football power like Brazil and Argentina, caps may not matter for getting a permit because competition for places in the national team are fierce.

Having international experience is required, however, for the non-traditional football powers.

The one way around it is to train as a youth and go through the ranks to try and establish yourself.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #185
Monday December 22, 2014 9:11pm

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Yedlin locking down Hazard in the round of 16 in the WC and playing well in other WC matches got him the work permit. And I'm sure people like Shea and Edu ruined the chances for Swag.

There has to be something more than him holding out for a EPL team. No one could be that dumb.
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admsghs27
Post #186
Monday December 22, 2014 9:23pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Depends on situation. For non EU players the easiest route is to move to the continent where the requirements are more lenient, establish yourself in a side, and then it is pretty much straightforward depending on your nationality. If you are from a world football power like Brazil and Argentina, caps may not matter for getting a permit because competition for places in the national team are fierce.

Having international experience is required, however, for the non-traditional football powers.

The one way around it is to train as a youth and go through the ranks to try and establish yourself.


What about all the players from Africa ? every English team seems to have a couple African players on their team. And just recently a Canadian player is set to go to west ham, doneil Henry that is he got his work permit. And another thing Yedlin has fewer caps than Agudelo and he got his permit with ease. I think is because he is from Colombia that probably factored in.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #187
Monday December 22, 2014 10:13pm

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Agudelo hasnt been called up in damn near 2 years. That was a big reason why. Has nothing to do with him being Colombian.

Yedlin made a big splash on the biggest stage.

Know Nothing
Post #188
Monday December 22, 2014 10:27pm

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Original post from admsghs27

What about all the players from Africa ? every English team seems to have a couple African players on their team. And just recently a Canadian player is set to go to west ham, doneil Henry that is he got his work permit. And another thing Yedlin has fewer caps than Agudelo and he got his permit with ease. I think is because he is from Colombia that probably factored in.


I would suggest looking at their previous teams before looking at their nationality. If they played significant minutes on the continent and are a member of their national team then getting a permit is pretty straightforward. I believe the criteria is played in 2/3 of a club teams games and 2/3 of their national teams matches within the calendar year. Case in point John Obi Mikel played in Norway before going to Chelsea.

Another factor of the African players is that through colonialism, a good number of players can claim French, Dutch, English and even Belgian nationality and thus qualify for a passport from that country.

admsghs27
Post #189
Tuesday December 23, 2014 12:46am

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What about the youth players going to Europe ? Do they have to obtain a work permit ? For example like junior flores, pulisic, Gyau when he left, pelosi, EPB if he goes to juve, Yomba etc...

Dave
Post #190
Tuesday December 23, 2014 3:56am

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Original post from admsghs27

What about the youth players going to Europe ? Do they have to obtain a work permit ? For example like junior flores, pulisic, Gyau when he left, pelosi, EPB if he goes to juve, Yomba etc...


Youth players need to obtain a Work Permit, the big difference is the countries in which the players play. One of the reasons why players should be targeting moves to Holland, Germany, & France before trying to play in the BPL.

Pelosi I believe was born in Germany. Which i think allowed him to obtain an EU passport.

Flores, Pulisic, Gyau, were all identified as potential talents at the youth level. They also signed in Germany which have an easier level of acceptance/approval to obtain a footballing WP.
EPB (if he goes to Juve) would fall under the head-line of a remarkable talent. Not sure the what Italy requires for a WP....but someone under 18 obtaining consistent YNT minutes & First team minutes in a professional league usually qualifies them for a WP on appeal.

Agudelo's issue is that he was out of the NT picture for too long while attempting to move to the BPL at a time with the England was trying to make a political statement in their FA. When he lost his appeal he should have signed with a team in Holland, Germany, or France in order to build up his body of work.

admsghs27
Post #191
Tuesday December 23, 2014 4:42am

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What about Cameron he was out of the national picture for a long time yet he got his permit ??? Honestly I would rather have Americans go to holland, Germany, France or better yet Spain all those countries are way better than England in development. England just sucks at youth development.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #192
Tuesday December 23, 2014 6:04am

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Spain is one of the hardest countries to obtain work permits. They have a strict cap on foreign players for each team. Italy is another country that has a strict foreign player cap.

Germany is one of the laxest EU countries on foreign players and work permits. Hence why you see an infusion of young American talent heading to Germany.

To be honest I foresee the Bundesliga as the top importer of American players in the years to come.

MSantoine
Post #193
Tuesday December 23, 2014 1:55pm

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Original post from admsghs27

What about Cameron he was out of the national picture for a long time yet he got his permit ??? Honestly I would rather have Americans go to holland, Germany, France or better yet Spain all those countries are way better than England in development. England just sucks at youth development.


The EPL rules have some shadiness to them as some have mentioned. Without looking them up I believe them to be the following:

EU passport gets you in (as stated early lots of Africans get EU passports through heritage)

Top 10 (maybe 12) countries in FIFA rankings have their players automatically qualify. So Brazil, Argentina, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, etc players never have issues.

Appeared in 75% of the official (gold cup, uefa, world cup) matches for a national team in the last two years.

Agudelo hasnt appeared in any. Yedlin probably missed the 75% mark but playing in almost every match in 2014 and being a youngster was probably enough to win his appeal.

Cameron at the time, if I recall, came up short and was at like 60% of the national team matches but also won his appeal as he, like Yedlin, had appeared in the last 10 or so straight national team matches.

I think if Agudelo was part of the US team each camp they'd have given him his permit. Or if he tried to transfer in 2011-12 he probably would have won also

Know Nothing
Post #194
Tuesday December 23, 2014 4:28pm

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Players under the 75% mark usually get in on appeal if they can show they have been a recent fixture in the squad and get assurances from the national team manager that they will continue to get call ups.

I wouldn't say England sucks at youth development per se, it is just there is a disparity in the training amongst the different academies, and the best academies recruit heavily from abroad.

MSantoine
Post #195
Tuesday December 23, 2014 5:32pm

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The problem with England academies is that since they are strict on bringing over foreign players the youth teams dont always see the same skill level that the EPL teams have so when they come up the gap is much wider. Also since EPL teams have such high salaries, and usually highly skilled players, it takes a lot for the youngsters to break in on most teams (save for teams in financial trouble that have to throw the youngsters to the wolves). Thats why a lot of youngsters do the loan out process in EPL, and if your a loanee your not always going to be used as you would if you were a permanent part of the team

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