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tylercocinas
Post #46
Thursday July 11, 2013 5:10pm

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You guys had this same "Dempsey's Finished at Spurs" conversation when they purchased Lew Holtby but lo and behold Clint got his matches in spite of it. Just because they make a signing doesn't mean he's on his way out. Unless Chadli and the rest of the signings come in, adapt quickly, and play well it should not really affect Clin. He's a grown man with years of Premier League experience and a proven track record of success that AVB can trust. Plus the club is involved in several competitions which requires depth to be able to contend on all fronts. If he stays, I simply don't see him languishing away on the bench and not pushing these guys to get on the field. That's just his nature as a player.

That being said, more playing time is always better so if a team were to make an offer that would put him in a situation where he was the fulcrum of the attack or at least a vital component of it, I think that would be fine as well.

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #47
Sunday July 21, 2013 5:48pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Official: Totten sign Chadli...what does this spell for Dempsey...we shall see..

Move or no move good luck!

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/69/transfer-zo...

rjw77
Post #48
Sunday July 21, 2013 6:37pm

Joined Jul 2013
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I think he should move. AVB certainly likes Dempsey but with the inevitable switch to his preferred 4-3-3 I don't see dempsey fitting, especially with the new Chadli signing. Since he has basically reached his ceiling, I would like to see him go to a top half table team but where he would almost always start. Like Everton or possibly West Brom who have reported interest in him.

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #49
Sunday July 21, 2013 7:23pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Im saying he gets a last min transfer...

MSantoine
Post #50
Sunday July 21, 2013 8:39pm

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There's also rumors of AVB possibly going to barca to be there new coach. Could still be some craziness ahead

skangles
DC
Post #51
Monday August 5, 2013 11:34pm

Joined Jan 2013
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This is the headline on ESPN right now:


Clint Dempsey's move to Tottenham didn't work out but his goals against Manchester United ensure he will be remembered fondly, writes John Crace


That's as far as I got. So now Dempsey's time in Tottenham is being pitched as a failure?

The dude had 7 goals in 29 appearances. I'm not sure what more Tottenham were hoping for from a player that cost them a 6m GBP transfer fee. Seems like a fair return to me.

ESPN should read BShredder's article. It would enlighten them. Dempsey got a ton of guaranteed money over four years for a 30 year old who will now be the face of the league in a soccer city that can rival many abroad.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #52
Tuesday August 6, 2013 1:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
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http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/05...

Being reported that a loan spell after the season is finished was part of the deal, looking good for that stint in Merseyside blue...

tardis91
Post #53
Tuesday August 6, 2013 3:24pm

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from recycledhumans

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/05...

Being reported that a loan spell after the season is finished was part of the deal, looking good for that stint in Merseyside blue...


I know people want to criticize Dempsey for this move, but Id say in his mind he wanted to make a run at champions league, he did that. He got to a Europa final, was beloved at Fulham, scored timely goals and was always working hard. I would imagine his plan was always to go back to MLS once he hit his thirties and while it may be earlier than even he thought, the money and playing less games will help keep him fresher. With a loan to a quality team, probably a team pushing for a europa league berth, will help bring his form back up, with the extra rest it could be better for the US since he is getting up there in age for a soccer player.

dolcem
Post #54
Tuesday August 6, 2013 4:36pm

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Where does it say anything about a future loan deal? Would be a great idea (a 5 month off-season right before the World Cup is not ideal) but it sounds like he's done with European soccer.
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Bshredder
Post #55
Tuesday August 6, 2013 4:51pm

Joined Aug 2011
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Original post from dolcem

Where does it say anything about a future loan deal? Would be a great idea (a 5 month off-season right before the World Cup is not ideal) but it sounds like he's done with European soccer.


First of all, it's not 5 months. That's fuzzy math. Assuming Seattle makes the playoffs but not the MLS Cup, they'd be done in mid-November. Preseason starts at the end of January. That's like 2 months

And an off-season for Clint ahead of the WC is ideal. He would enter the World Cup in mid-season form as opposed to post-Euro season form.

But he will be going on loan this off-season.

MSantoine
Post #56
Tuesday August 6, 2013 5:04pm

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Original post from dolcem

Where does it say anything about a future loan deal? Would be a great idea (a 5 month off-season right before the World Cup is not ideal) but it sounds like he's done with European soccer.


Its been reported that as part of his deal to come to the MLS he is guarenteed an option to go out on any load he wants in the offseason. Of course this doesnt guarentee anything as the EPL team would have to want him but MLS cant block the loan deal for any reason

dolcem
Post #57
Tuesday August 6, 2013 5:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

Its been reported that as part of his deal to come to the MLS he is guarenteed an option to go out on any load he wants in the offseason. Of course this doesnt guarentee anything as the EPL team would have to want him but MLS cant block the loan deal for any reason


Where was it reported? I looked and didn't find anything in the links.

Original post from Bshredder

First of all, it's not 5 months. That's fuzzy math. Assuming Seattle makes the playoffs but not the MLS Cup, they'd be done in mid-November. Preseason starts at the end of January. That's like 2 months

And an off-season for Clint ahead of the WC is ideal. He would enter the World Cup in mid-season form as opposed to post-Euro season form.

But he will be going on loan this off-season.


Considering he'll be leaving to join the USNT in Mid May, I wouldn't call it "mid-season form."

Playing in the MLS is an advantage if you're a hustle type player whose job it is to bomb up and down the field (some of the '02 guys, for example). They'll do a better job than guys in Europe who are coming off the end of the season. Clint's job, however, is to be our #10. He has to be 100% switched on mentally and technically, not to mention the fact that he'll have to take a step up to face the competition. What if he has a slow start to the season?

Also, Spurs was ideal because Dempsey was a bench player there who got a lot of minutes: he got enough PT to stay in form but not enough to wear him out too much. I would have rather seen him go to a league with less running where he could focus on other aspects of his game without getting too tired. La Liga would've been perfect. He might have even been able to go play for a team like Real Sociedad and play in the Champions League.
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MSantoine
Post #58
Tuesday August 6, 2013 6:15pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from dolcem

Where was it reported? I looked and didn't find anything in the links.


Here's an excerpt from Grant Wahl:

There were some important wrinkles to the contract. A source connected to Seattle with detailed knowledge of the deal said Seattle's owners are paying Dempsey's $24 million in salary (at least the lion's share above the normal $368,750 covered by the league), but the league is covering the $9 million transfer fee. (A league official disputed that characterization without providing details.) What's more, there is a stipulation in the contract that Dempsey is allowed to go on one off-season loan to a European club during the length of the deal. (Thierry Henry, Landon Donovan and Robbie Keane have gone on similar loans.) It's expected that Dempsey will do that in January and February 2014 to help prepare for the World Cup.

So at any one time in the next 4 years he can go to Europe for a loan spell in the offseason and neither MLSnor Seattle can stop him. Putting two and two together this coming winter is the only that matters for him in the next 4 years (the life of the contract) so barring injury its expected he'll head back to europe for 2 months

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #59
Tuesday August 6, 2013 6:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I don't understand why we take those MLS loanees back for preseason training...I mean, don't get me wrong, younger guys that need the time with the team to get those familiarities down, but players like Duece, LD and Goodson should go on loan for the remainder of the European season so that they'll be more used to facing the higher tier opposition that we'll find from game 1 in the WC. The better quality of the pitches is an automatic bonus, as the chances of becoming injured solely by running on the turf will be negligible, and there aren't nearly as many wreckless tackles as in our league. The milder temps will also help in injury prevention.

I can understand why the younger guys wouldn't fit into that category, but the guys that are MNT starters are certainly professional enough to fold back into their MLS teams after their loan spells and the WC, even if they miss preseason training.

Bshredder
Post #60
Tuesday August 6, 2013 7:32pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Original post from recycledhumans

I don't understand why we take those MLS loanees back for preseason training...I mean, don't get me wrong, younger guys that need the time with the team to get those familiarities down, but players like Duece, LD and Goodson should go on loan for the remainder of the European season so that they'll be more used to facing the higher tier opposition that we'll find from game 1 in the WC. The better quality of the pitches is an automatic bonus, as the chances of becoming injured solely by running on the turf will be negligible, and there aren't nearly as many wreckless tackles as in our league. The milder temps will also help in injury prevention.

I can understand why the younger guys wouldn't fit into that category, but the guys that are MNT starters are certainly professional enough to fold back into their MLS teams after their loan spells and the WC, even if they miss preseason training.


It's no loner easy to make the MLS playoffs. Early season game do matter

also,

What happens if LAG or Seattle are in the CONCACAF Champions League. Those games are in February and March and they're important.

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