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admsghs27
Post #106
Monday April 29, 2013 6:18am

Joined Nov 2012
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This is a soccer forum... Not a nerd convention... @bshredder i suggest you block soccergod from every post please... Cmon this is getting ridiculus.

SoccerGod
Clouds, Heaven
Post #107
Monday April 29, 2013 6:19pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from admsghs27

This is a soccer forum... Not a nerd convention... @bshredder i suggest you block soccergod from every post please... Cmon this is getting ridiculus.


I'd say 95% of my posts are just soccer related with my own (probably bad) humor peppered in some of them. The only exception is when someone does something really dumb or posts something nonsensical ill call you out, just like the one you put up. So don't whine about it it makes you look like a young girl. Smite!

Anyway..does anyone think that in the space if just a few months were Cameron went from our one sure bet defender to now, that he could be the odd man out with a Johnson-Besler-Gonzo-Chandler/Dolo back four? I mean I really like Cameron but I also like that back 4 to be honest.
For I am creator of all things soccer. Seek repentance or just beat Mexico, either will get you in up here.
navi8132
Post #108
Monday April 29, 2013 6:55pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,057
The problem is him not playing CB at his club, not getting full 90's, and not having good chemistry with Omar.

I think the pair we should play is Omar + Besler.

navi8132
Post #109
Monday April 29, 2013 6:57pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,057
He needs to leave Stoke as soon as is reasonable.

dolcem
Post #110
Monday April 29, 2013 7:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,064
Everyone has been WAY too quick to anoint the Gonzo-Besler pairing as our best option. How many games have these guys played for the NT? CB is about CONSISTENCY. A CB who sometimes plays great and other times plays poorly is worse than one who always puts in solid games. Gonzo looked great against Mexico but we were bunkering...what happens when we play any other game and use our high line? I have a bad feeling he'll be badly exposed.

Cameron is against the best competition in the world week in week out and has put in good performances almost every game he has played at CB. I think it's a little quick to write him off. And CB is the only position where I really prefer a European player. I'm not opposed at all to MLS guys starting for us but the one problem with them is that they tend to make more mistakes (the game at the international level is played a lot differently and much faster than the MLS) than the ones playing in Europe or even Mexico. CB is the position where a mistake costs the most and where the player's ability to read the game matters the most. I trust someone playing in Europe over an MLS CB.

We have more than a year before the WC and so all three will get plenty of chances. I trust that we'll get it sorted out but until then let's stop overhyping every player who plays one good game for us. It's one thing about US fans that frustrates me.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
SoccerGod
Clouds, Heaven
Post #111
Monday April 29, 2013 8:45pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from dolcem

Everyone has been WAY too quick to anoint the Gonzo-Besler pairing as our best option. How many games have these guys played for the NT? CB is about CONSISTENCY. A CB who sometimes plays great and other times plays poorly is worse than one who always puts in solid games. Gonzo looked great against Mexico but we were bunkering...what happens when we play any other game and use our high line? I have a bad feeling he'll be badly exposed.

Cameron is against the best competition in the world week in week out and has put in good performances almost every game he has played at CB. I think it's a little quick to write him off. And CB is the only position where I really prefer a European player. I'm not opposed at all to MLS guys starting for us but the one problem with them is that they tend to make more mistakes (the game at the international level is played a lot differently and much faster than the MLS) than the ones playing in Europe or even Mexico. CB is the position where a mistake costs the most and where the player's ability to read the game matters the most. I trust someone playing in Europe over an MLS CB.

We have more than a year before the WC and so all three will get plenty of chances. I trust that we'll get it sorted out but until then let's stop overhyping every player who plays one good game for us. It's one thing about US fans that frustrates me.


I agree with you, but what do you think Klinsmann will do? I'd have him with Gonzales personally but that's just me.
For I am creator of all things soccer. Seek repentance or just beat Mexico, either will get you in up here.
rainORshine
Post #112
Monday April 29, 2013 9:07pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from dolcem

Everyone has been WAY too quick to anoint the Gonzo-Besler pairing as our best option. How many games have these guys played for the NT? CB is about CONSISTENCY. A CB who sometimes plays great and other times plays poorly is worse than one who always puts in solid games. Gonzo looked great against Mexico but we were bunkering...what happens when we play any other game and use our high line? I have a bad feeling he'll be badly exposed.

Cameron is against the best competition in the world week in week out and has put in good performances almost every game he has played at CB. I think it's a little quick to write him off. And CB is the only position where I really prefer a European player. I'm not opposed at all to MLS guys starting for us but the one problem with them is that they tend to make more mistakes (the game at the international level is played a lot differently and much faster than the MLS) than the ones playing in Europe or even Mexico. CB is the position where a mistake costs the most and where the player's ability to read the game matters the most. I trust someone playing in Europe over an MLS CB.

We have more than a year before the WC and so all three will get plenty of chances. I trust that we'll get it sorted out but until then let's stop overhyping every player who plays one good game for us. It's one thing about US fans that frustrates me.


when choosing a CB, most coaches will:
1) choose someone with at least one full season of playing CB with club
2) choose someone who is currently playing CB
3) choose someone who has played CB in the last 10 months
4) choose someone who is starting regularly for their club

cameron does not fit ANY of these criteria

this is not about besler and gonzalez, its about cameron just being a really poor option

(if its a 4-4-2, ill take boca-gonzo)

SoccerGod
Clouds, Heaven
Post #113
Tuesday April 30, 2013 1:17am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from rainORshine

when choosing a CB, most coaches will:
1) choose someone with at least one full season of playing CB with club
2) choose someone who is currently playing CB
3) choose someone who has played CB in the last 10 months
4) choose someone who is starting regularly for their club

cameron does not fit ANY of these criteria

this is not about besler and gonzalez, its about cameron just being a really poor option

(if its a 4-4-2, ill take boca-gonzo)


That's a good point, but Klismann has picked edu when he wasn't playing at all much less playing a position regularly. So who knows?
For I am creator of all things soccer. Seek repentance or just beat Mexico, either will get you in up here.
admsghs27
Post #114
Tuesday April 30, 2013 1:23am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,422
Cameron is NOT a cb, nor he will ever be... Gonzo is a lock.. Besler, boca, are in the 2nd spot.. Maybe brooks if he plays for usa.

rainORshine
Post #115
Tuesday April 30, 2013 3:17am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from SoccerGod

That's a good point, but Klismann has picked edu when he wasn't playing at all much less playing a position regularly. So who knows?


options were super thin in 2012. cameron will still be part of the equation but door is wide open for gonzalez and besler. both of those guys have everything still to prove, so anything can happen

as of now i would rank them:
1) boca - only proven guy in the lot. still only 33
2) gonzalez - RCB spot seems to be his for taking
3) besler - needs to win the LCB spot from boca, imo
4) cameron - seems to have slipped down the pecking order

dolcem
Post #116
Wednesday May 1, 2013 6:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,064
Original post from SoccerGod

I agree with you, but what do you think Klinsmann will do? I'd have him with Gonzales personally but that's just me.


No idea actually. I could see any combo of Besler, Gonzalez, and Cameron.

And as far as my opinion goes, I think we should prepare for life without Bocanegra. Try out Besler, Gonzalez, and Cameron a lot and see which combination works the best. Then spend the final months before the WC with that pairing starting every game and trying to develop an understanding.

I'm nervous that Gonzalez won't be good with a high line. Sure he'll be very solid when we bunker down but I could see him getting badly exposed in some games, especially on the counter. And will he play well at the highest level consistently? We don't know yet.

Original post from rainORshine

when choosing a CB, most coaches will:
1) choose someone with at least one full season of playing CB with club
2) choose someone who is currently playing CB
3) choose someone who has played CB in the last 10 months
4) choose someone who is starting regularly for their club

cameron does not fit ANY of these criteria

this is not about besler and gonzalez, its about cameron just being a really poor option

(if its a 4-4-2, ill take boca-gonzo)


Except Cameron has played CB plenty in his career and is playing in arguably the best league in the world while Besler, Gonzalez, and Bocanegra are against much poorer competition. And in Stoke's system the fullbacks are basically CB's. It's not ideal but not that big a deal.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
rainORshine
Post #117
Monday May 6, 2013 8:46pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from dolcem

Except Cameron has played CB plenty in his career and is playing in arguably the best league in the world while Besler, Gonzalez, and Bocanegra are against much poorer competition. And in Stoke's system the fullbacks are basically CB's. It's not ideal but not that big a deal.


USED to play RB (no, their fullback are regular old fullbacks, not "basically CBs") for bottom half prem team after playing ZERO complete seasons as CB over his career (not sure what your idea of "plenty" is). i think its a VERY big deal

ill take boca, gonzo and besler.

we'll see what JK does

MSantoine
Post #118
Monday May 6, 2013 8:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,234
He;s not in the starting XI again in a huge matchup vs Sunderland

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #119
Monday May 6, 2013 9:43pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,414
Original post from MSantoine

He;s not in the starting XI again in a huge matchup vs Sunderland


He is now !

rainORshine
Post #120
Thursday August 1, 2013 1:58am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
early line on 13/14 is...

RB. in 3 preseason games - 2 starts at RB, came off bench to play RB in other app.

as of now, looks like cameron will serve as the ultimate swiss army knife in JKs back pocket. hard to see him winning a starting role for USMNT playing RB for stoke

cameron is officially spector 2.0. and like spector i think ultimately his best spot is as a CM/DM

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