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2tone
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Post #16
Thursday May 9, 2013 5:40am

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Original post from Bshredder

Klinsmann was very public that he was having a hand in running the team. Yes, Porter was the coach but he was on a leash


Yet again Porter made the in game decisions not Klinsmann.

Klinsmann may of had a hand in selecting some players, but he was not running things on the sideline. Maybe he should have been.

Klinsmann probably had a hand in the formation that was to be utilized, but it's no tlike Klinsmann had to twist Porter's arm to play a 4-3-3.

dolcem
Post #17
Thursday May 9, 2013 7:52am

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Original post from Bshredder

Klinsmann was very public that he was having a hand in running the team. Yes, Porter was the coach but he was on a leash


Klinsmann may have had a hand in this double-dip recession, too.
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Bshredder
Post #18
Thursday May 9, 2013 5:15pm

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Original post from dolcem

Klinsmann may have had a hand in this double-dip recession, too.


Again, Klinsmann said publically several times he was going to have his hand in managing the U23 team. He deserves some of the blame.

And on the 4-3-3, I do wonder how much the youth coaches are tied to this formation. When he was hired, Klinsmann said he wanted a uniform system of style and immediately after, every single US team played the 4-3-3 rigidly.

My problems with the U23 was largely due to the width play (same problem with the full national team). The team had no fullbacks who were able to get forward and Adu isn't a winger. That left Shea as the only wide option.

With those players, a 4-3-3 was obviously the wrong formation

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #19
Thursday May 9, 2013 5:50pm

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The 4-3-3 was being established at the youth level by Reyna before Klinsmann was hired.

navi8132
Post #20
Thursday May 9, 2013 6:58pm

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I thought Reyna was one of the smarter people in US Soccer, he is a proponent of the 4-3-3 for the US at this point?

Bshredder
Post #21
Thursday May 9, 2013 7:07pm

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Renya had a plan for a 4-3-3 but it was not strict. It was just a guideline as part of a curriculum.

Klinsmann rigidly implemented and pretty much forced that formation.

nolefansandy
Post #22
Thursday May 9, 2013 7:54pm

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nevertheless, Porter will do wonders for Nagbe's development and his future looks very bright

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #23
Thursday May 9, 2013 7:56pm

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Original post from Bshredder

Renya had a plan for a 4-3-3 but it was not strict. It was just a guideline as part of a curriculum.

Klinsmann rigidly implemented and pretty much forced that formation.


If he did then he did. But the 4-3-3 was being established before Klinsmann.

I remember Reyna stating that he would prefer all USSF academy teams to play a 4-3-3. He wanted all academies to be on the same page. He wanted all academy teams playing attacking formations, so with those guidelines Reyna allowed a little leeway with the attacking formation. But Reyna wanted all academy teams playing the 4-3-3.

Klinsmann and Reyna pretty much set up the strict guidelines for the youth. It wasn't just Klinsmann.

Nothing wrong with getting the youth academies all on the same page. If a player can play in a 4-3-3 then a player can certainly play in any formation utilized throughout a players career. I veiw the 4-3-3 as a foundation formation.

Bshredder
Post #24
Thursday May 9, 2013 7:57pm

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From a national team perspective, MLS must do whatever it takes to keep Nagbe in the league through December 2015. If it takes refusing offers from Europe and giving him DP $$, so be it.

If he moves abroad before then, his citizenship process is ruined.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #25
Thursday May 9, 2013 8:06pm

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And on Nagbe. If he has only 2 years to get his citizenship then he would be crazy to leave in that timeframe. He has stated multiple times that his top priority is getting his citizenship, so he can play for the USMNT.

Having Nagbe available for the 2018 WC cycle would be awesome. That WC cycle could feature one of the most talented US WC team cycles to date.

Look at this possibility of a player pool: Not adding Dempsey and Donovan

Defense: Chandler, Yedlin, Castillo, Fabian, Gonzo, Besler, Hedges, Schuler, Brooks, John, Alvarado

Middies: Bradley, Holden, Gil, Williams, McCarty, Morales, Corona, Zusi, Kitchen, Stanko, Joya, Lopez, Trapp

Attackers: Adu, Altidore, Boyd, Villarreal, Zardes, Bruin, Wooten, Wood, Cuevas, Shea, Nagbe, McInerney

Right there is a damn good player pool. But you may get more boosts With Alonso Hernandez, Jordan Morris, Julian Green, Oscar Sorto, Ocegueda among others.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #26
Thursday May 9, 2013 8:21pm

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Not to mention Gatt and Gyau for the 2018 WC cycle.

dolcem
Post #27
Thursday May 9, 2013 8:21pm

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Original post from Bshredder

Again, Klinsmann said publically several times he was going to have his hand in managing the U23 team. He deserves some of the blame.

And on the 4-3-3, I do wonder how much the youth coaches are tied to this formation. When he was hired, Klinsmann said he wanted a uniform system of style and immediately after, every single US team played the 4-3-3 rigidly.

My problems with the U23 was largely due to the width play (same problem with the full national team). The team had no fullbacks who were able to get forward and Adu isn't a winger. That left Shea as the only wide option.

With those players, a 4-3-3 was obviously the wrong formation


Klinsmann's idea is to get the youth national teams to play a similar style of play and use similar formations (this is what good youth systems do, it's not a genius idea invented by Klinsmann, it's common sense). Either a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 because that's what almost every good team uses these days. He also wants them to play positively. Since youth soccer is more about development than results, it's a good idea for him to make decisions like this. Especially considering that we're in CONCACAF and should be able to win anyway. Of course Porter had some constraints and Klinsmann gave the general direction. But Porter was the one managing the team and should have gotten the basic results (beating teams like Cuba and Canada) regardless of those constraints. We shouldn't be just playing for the result in youth soccer. Even if Klinsmann made the player selections, there wasn't much wrong with the selections (we had a lot of players missing through injury, especially in the defense, but we were still a lot better than the opposition). The tactics didn't seem all that our of place for the players we had. I definitely would have picked a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 with that group. We should have won and the one who actually managed the team (Porter) is to be blamed.

Tab Ramos didn't have a problem fulfilling his instructions but Porter did. That failure was a massive one and really Porter's fault (his constraints were VERY reasonable for a youth coach; you're always told by the technical director/manager/bigwig how to play and expected to get basic results). But does that mean he's a bad coach? Of course not. He had a really poor run of three games, that's it. He may have a long, successful career ahead of him (I think he will). But I don't think two decently successful months in the MLS proves that, either.

And for the record, Adu has played on the wing for most of his career. Shouldn't have been a problem.
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dolcem
Post #28
Thursday May 9, 2013 8:33pm

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And 2tone, I agree, 2018 could be awesome! Although anyone can happen between now and then. 2014 was definitely a down-cycle for us player wise...we're in between the 2010 group (a good group) and the next set of players. Would have way rather had Klinsmann from 06-10 (when he wanted) or 14-18. Oh well.
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MSantoine
Post #29
Tuesday July 2, 2013 1:29am

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Original post from Bshredder

From a national team perspective, MLS must do whatever it takes to keep Nagbe in the league through December 2015. If it takes refusing offers from Europe and giving him DP $$, so be it.

If he moves abroad before then, his citizenship process is ruined.


Nagbe signed an extension with Portland. Looks like the dream is still alive

EKneezy
Post #30
Tuesday July 2, 2013 1:36am

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That 2018 team looks fierce. Maybe even throw Fagundez in there once his citizenship is all sorted out.

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