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tylercocinas
Post #1
Wednesday February 13, 2013 7:32pm

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@USAProspects just broke news about a Brazilian U17 stud who has an American passport.

http://alkassinternationalcup.com/news/kenedy...

Obviously he's focused on his Brazilian youth career at the moment but he could be a nice prospect for the future if he ever falls out of their plans a la Shawn Parker over at Mainz.

rambo
Chi town
Post #2
Wednesday February 13, 2013 8:25pm

Joined Jun 2012
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He has some tough competition in trying to get in the full Brazil team. As others have said on here, the US needs to work on making their own players better instead of relying on other nations to do it for them.

Bshredder
Post #3
Wednesday February 13, 2013 9:37pm

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Original post from rambo

As others have said on here, the US needs to work on making their own players better instead of relying on other nations to do it for them.


This is 100% right

That being said, playing for Brazil's U17 team is impressive but you'd be surprised how many Brazilian youth internationals never even make it as professionals. Go look at some of their previous U17 World Cup rosters. There are lots and lots of players who are now completely out of the game - even for Brazil or any other country.

Not only is their a chance he's never good enough for Brazil, there's a good chance he'd never be good enough for a US team either. Of course he could also turn into being of the World Class-Barcelona level too. I've never seen him play but the odds are still against all players at the U17 level.

blaise213
Post #4
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:10am

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ah the magic topic: duel nationals

How does he have an american passport?

tylercocinas
Post #5
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:31am

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Original post from Bshredder

This is 100% right

That being said, playing for Brazil's U17 team is impressive but you'd be surprised how many Brazilian youth internationals never even make it as professionals. Go look at some of their previous U17 World Cup rosters. There are lots and lots of players who are now completely out of the game - even for Brazil or any other country.

Not only is their a chance he's never good enough for Brazil, there's a good chance he'd never be good enough for a US team either. Of course he could also turn into being of the World Class-Barcelona level too. I've never seen him play but the odds are still against all players at the U17 level.


I agree, hell you can say the same thing about many US youth prospects (Szetela). Our primary focus absolutely should be making own youth better but if there are players out there who could help down the line I'm completely fine with it.

blaise213
Post #6
Thursday February 14, 2013 12:48am

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Original post from tylercocinas

I agree, hell you can say the same thing about many US youth prospects (Szetela). Our primary focus absolutely should be making own youth better but if there are players out there who could help down the line I'm completely fine with it.


I dont agree, but I dont get excited about youth players under the U-20 level. Soccer is not a top 3 sport in the US and we have cheap ownership in MLS that dont have the money to build academies. MLS can't even buy the domain mls.com

Until we get investors with deep pocket books to turn the league around (eye candy stadiums in prime locations and academies)

Dual national > MLS guy

PubCrawling199
North Carolina
Post #7
Thursday February 14, 2013 5:53am

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Original post from blaise213

I dont agree, but I dont get excited about youth players under the U-20 level. Soccer is not a top 3 sport in the US and we have cheap ownership in MLS that dont have the money to build academies. MLS can't even buy the domain mls.com

Until we get investors with deep pocket books to turn the league around (eye candy stadiums in prime locations and academies)

Dual national > MLS guy


There's a lot of money in MLS. Kroenke is worth $4B. I'm not sure what Jorge Vergara's worth is, but he's the sole owner of a $4B a year company. Don't know Clark Hunt's actual net worth either, but he's one of the heirs of his grandfather's $1B fortune built through the oil industry. Erick Thohir is massively wealthy, owning prominent chunks of multimedia companies that have a collective annual income of almost $100B. Again, don't know what his exact net worth is, but he's got more than a handful of 10% to 15% stakes in these companies, and that allowed him to rather casually buy into DC United and the Philadelphia 76ers. One of Thohir's partners, Jason Levien, appears to be the basketball version of Scott Boras. A super agent crafting record breaking deals. He'll be worth tens of millions.

Phil Anschutz is worth $7B, God only knows how much AEG itself is worth. Joey Saputo seems to be worth a little over $4B, but that may be split between other family members as well as a family worth. Regardless, richer than all get out. Robert Kraft is worth $2.3B. Red Bull has an annual revenue of 4.23B Euros a year. Lewis Wolff and John Fisher are worth a combined $1.5B, I believe. Joe Roth is worth $700M, Drew Carey is at around $130M, Paul Allen is at $15B, and though I can't find Adrian Hanauer's net worth off the top of my head, he's not poor either.

SKC is just owned by a group of investors, I'm not digging their info up. Maple Leaf Entertainment is valued at about $2.25B. What their liquid assets look like, I don't know, but they're owned by a conglomerate of multi-billion dollar companies. I'm not sure of Steve Luczo's net worth, but his annual income from his CEO position at Seagate is over $5M a year (pre-taxes), and he has about a $4M stake in Microsoft. I'm sure he has other pots in the fire, too. Jeff Mallett's net worth is about $8B. Finally, the minnow, Steve Nash is worth about $75M or so. Dave Checketts is worth about $100M, I think. Not sure what Merritt Paulson is worth, but his dad probably bankrolls him with his $700M net worth. The Union is owned by another collective of investors, like SKC. I'm not looking up their individual net worths.

So that's just about every majority and significant minority owner of every MLS team. Dave Checketts (if my information is correct) is the poorest of all owners at a measly $100M, but RSL seems to be doing fine regardless.

Point is, the pockets of MLS owners are so deep, you can't find the bottom. Money is not the issue. There is plenty of great development going on in MLS, but it's a process. It can't happen overnight, and the league has been going for less than one generation. It takes years to build stadiums, set up infrastructure for academies, and pull general attraction to the sport and the league. MLS has made very successful, significant strides, and the business model is working. Maybe it's too slow for some of our tastes (I have been known to question the current salary cap on a few occasions), but the slew of beautiful (and maybe a couple that are a little utilitarian) stadiums being built around the country that are setting attendance records shows that progress is being made.

Also, everyone already knows MLSSoccer.com, no need to change it. That's a nitpicky detail.
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DougieB11
Avon, IN
Post #8
Thursday February 14, 2013 9:11am

Joined Dec 2012
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Agreed! MLS has no financial worries... if anything the point could be argued that the low salary cap is hurting the leagues development. The league could stand to give it a significant increase in the next season or two. Also, unless I'm mistaken there are 16 acadamies in the league. But they cant all have the early success of DC United. Plus most have only existed a couple years and they have just started turning out their first graduates.

The league is growing stronger every season and the owners are ALL making money! As more local TV deals begin to emerge and other revenue streams continue to strengthen I fully expect the league to loosen some of the financial restrictions. Within the next 10 years I wouldn't be surprised if MLS turns contracts over to teams. That will be the point at which the league will be able to say it has arrived on the main stage.

tylercocinas
Post #9
Tuesday January 20, 2015 1:04am

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Little tidbit from Gianlucadimarizio.com about Milan being interested in Kenedy. Still playing for Brazil, but thought people might be interested.

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/...

Dave
Post #10
Tuesday January 20, 2015 3:11am

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from DougieB11

Agreed! MLS has no financial worries... if anything the point could be argued that the low salary cap is hurting the leagues development. The league could stand to give it a significant increase in the next season or two. Also, unless I'm mistaken there are 16 acadamies in the league. most have only existed a couple years and they have just started turning out their first graduates.

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The CBA is under negotiations right now. Hopefully when they come to terms there will be a nice bump to the salary cap.

Academies have been in existence for only a handful of years...and most of them are only established to the U16-17 level. Once each MLS team has an academy that goes down to the U8 level...than hopefully teams will really have a chance to influence the development of the players here in the US.

Another aspect that will improve the level of players will be the use of reserve/development teams playing in PDL. Once each MLS team fields a second team where young prospects can play in a professional environment and gain experience...development will speed up.

We'll never get to a point where Dual Nationals will not garner interest....but the more MLS develops the deeper and better the USNT will be.

blaise213
Post #11
Tuesday January 20, 2015 4:46am

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Anything about dual nationals is my favorite topic

I follow Robert Kenedy nunes' thread on bigger soccer on a weekly basis. He's in the starting XI for the Brazilian U-20 team for the South American U-20 championship. He has been getting some regular playing time on Fluminense first team (2 goals).

His dream is to play for Chelsea. My dream is for him to get snubbed by Brazil and play for the USMNT. He would be an instant starter on the RW.

Like everyone else, I'm still waiting to hear how he is eligible for the US. Rumor has it he was born in Miami.

blaise213
Post #12
Tuesday January 20, 2015 6:08am

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A Holy Shit goal by Robert Kenedy vs Venezuela (yesterday)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCBPLG7nxf0

mandela
Post #13
Tuesday January 20, 2015 12:13pm

Joined Dec 2013
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Ronaldo couldnt have hit it any better.

usmnt fans, dont hold your breath for this guy.

didnt fagundez become captied to Uruguay in this same competition??

MSantoine
Post #14
Tuesday January 20, 2015 3:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from mandela

didnt fagundez become captied to Uruguay in this same competition??


Yes. Since he played in an official youth match for Uruguay and is not currently eligible to rep the US he can no longer gain the option to rep any other country (unless FIFA again changed their convoluted rules)

blaise213
Post #15
Tuesday January 20, 2015 7:16pm

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Since the youtube video was removed, here's the full highlights (Kenedy goal starts at 0:54, whips in a nice cross at the end)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztbXHhOtNcs

After watching the way Brazil U-20 plays, we would need a different U-20 line up if we were ever to play against Brazil (Rubin, Zelalam, Parker, Payne and I wish Green)

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