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dolcem
Post #31
Friday August 23, 2013 6:10pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Zusi is still better than shea.. even if he plays 90mins every game all season at stoke, i would still take zusi over shea because he brings better a better game to the mnt.. I bet zusi would be a star at stoke...


Zusi is NOT a winger...and in no way is he a Premier League caliber player.
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admsghs27
Post #32
Friday August 23, 2013 6:17pm

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Original post from dolcem

Zusi is NOT a winger...and in no way is he a Premier League caliber player.


??? Havent u seen him play with the mnt he plays right wing... And yes he could definetly prevail in the epl...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #33
Friday August 23, 2013 6:49pm

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Yep the last I looked Zusi is playing winger for club and country. He is an attacking midfielder which means he should be able to play out wide.

joshw
Post #34
Friday August 23, 2013 8:00pm

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Shea and Zusi are totally different options. Zusi has the quickness to defend, is not going to turn the ball over as much as Brek and can start games and not hurt us like Brek has the potential to. On the other hand, Zusi probably isn't going to make the run that Brek made to score versus Costa Rica and probably wouldn't wander so far forward as Brek did on his goal against Panama. Zusi is a great option to start if Donovan is injured or if you have the lead and need fresh legs to finish a game. Brek is a joker sub to bring on for a goal in the later stages of games after it becomes a more open game, like Odonkor was for Germany when Klinnsman coached them. I guess that could change if he gets minutes with Stoke and his game matures, but that's how I see him now. If he's healthy, he's got a great shot at making Brazil as the joker sub even if his game doesn't mature.

recycledhumans
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Post #35
Friday August 23, 2013 8:26pm

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Original post from dolcem

Zusi is NOT a winger...and in no way is he a Premier League caliber player.


I got your back.

What he meant to say was simply this: Zusi is a wide midfielder, not a winger. Going at the defense and making your way to the byline for a cross or maybe a shot, is what truly defines a winger. Zusi plays a little more centrally, creates space for other players with short passing between he and either the CAM or one of the CDMs, and will cross the ball in high from well outside the box.

As to whether or not Zeus would be able to cut it in the EPL...that's anyone's guess. We won't know unless we see him there. But for speculation's sake, I'm willing to say that he's bottom dweller quality...kinda like my previous post where I panned Walters...barely good enough for the EPL, would probably thrive in the Championship.

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #36
Friday August 23, 2013 10:07pm

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When Shea gets games under his belt at Stoke(which he def will, prob start too) the EPL will make Shea a more complete player and move ahead of zusi easily. Shea has way more room to improve than zusi does and he'll most likely be ahead of zusi by summer(If he stays injury free). Playing in a better league than zusi will pay off for him.

recycledhumans
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Post #37
Friday August 23, 2013 10:42pm

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Being a few years younger than Zeus and naturally more quick doesn't hurt. Plus having another 6 footer in the mix for set pieces is never a bad thing.

As long as he can avoid disaster, I'm betting he'll make a move to a better side in a couple years.

49wyztoscore
Post #38
Friday August 23, 2013 10:43pm

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I love Zusi and Shea but come WC I doubt either will start. Just hope both are in form so we have some quality depth.

joshw
Post #39
Saturday August 24, 2013 2:29am

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Original post from recycledhumans

Being a few years younger than Zeus and naturally more quick doesn't hurt. Plus having another 6 footer in the mix for set pieces is never a bad thing.

As long as he can avoid disaster, I'm betting he'll make a move to a better side in a couple years.


You really think brek is quicker than zusi? I think brek probably covers more ground once he gets rolling, but he doesn't look like he's got much of a first step to me.

dolcem
Post #40
Saturday August 24, 2013 4:53am

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Original post from recycledhumans

I got your back.

What he meant to say was simply this: Zusi is a wide midfielder, not a winger. Going at the defense and making your way to the byline for a cross or maybe a shot, is what truly defines a winger. Zusi plays a little more centrally, creates space for other players with short passing between he and either the CAM or one of the CDMs, and will cross the ball in high from well outside the box.

As to whether or not Zeus would be able to cut it in the EPL...that's anyone's guess. We won't know unless we see him there. But for speculation's sake, I'm willing to say that he's bottom dweller quality...kinda like my previous post where I panned Walters...barely good enough for the EPL, would probably thrive in the Championship.


My thoughts more or less.

Look, Zusi is a great guy and always puts in 110%. Sometimes he provides really good crosses from the right-hand side. That is NOT enough to be a successful winger in the modern game. You need pace, power, finishing, and creativity. Zusi doesn't have any of these. He's a really poor man's version of Stuart Downing except he looks totally lost as an attacking winger. He fits the old-school British flat 4-4-2 (generally the style of play utilized in the MLS; though SKC does play with a 4-3-3, it's the same type of game) but he's not a modern winger. And the style of play we're trying to implement calls for a modern winger who can really push an attack.

He has performed admirably for us and had a few good games against CONCACAF opponents. He even got an assist in that Germany friendly. The left back knew how little of a threat Zusi is and it was DC in the summer so he gave Zusi about 20 yards of space. Little did he know that Zusi can cross it really well sometimes, and we scored a goal. But Zusi was completely invisible for the rest of the game and that's usually how it would go against the CONCACAF minnows: one or two good crosses and nothing for the rest of the game. In the World Cup we'll be against much better teams and no one will be lazy enough to give him that kind of space. He'll be in way over his head.

I swear he's the most overrated USNT player right now. No way should he make the 23 man roster...Bedoya, Corona, and Torres (on the left) would all be better on the wing than Zusi.
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tylercocinas
Post #41
Saturday August 24, 2013 2:18pm

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Lol a poor man's Stuart Downing? Considering how god awful SD is that's damn near disrespectful to Zus. In any case you're being extremely over critical Dolcem. Graham has proven himself to be a valuable contributor to the squad and will definitely be on the roster. Oh and Torres is not better than him. How one could make that assertion with a straight face I have yet to figure out. Whenever I've seen Torres at LW/LM he's looked out of place and unsure of himself.

dolcem
Post #42
Sunday August 25, 2013 10:45am

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Original post from tylercocinas

Lol a poor man's Stuart Downing? Considering how god awful SD is that's damn near disrespectful to Zus. In any case you're being extremely over critical Dolcem. Graham has proven himself to be a valuable contributor to the squad and will definitely be on the roster. Oh and Torres is not better than him. How one could make that assertion with a straight face I have yet to figure out. Whenever I've seen Torres at LW/LM he's looked out of place and unsure of himself.


SD and Zusi are very similar players. They are traditional English outside midfielders (although Zusi's natural positioning on the field is more central, which is another problem with him...he's a tweener, and to be a tweener and start you better be the best option at that position). They can cross the ball well and hustle. That's it. But good wingers in the modern game have pace and creativity. Zusi and SD don't, that's why we shouldn't use them. SD is more consistent than Zusi with his crossing. He also played well for Aston Villa, which played that kind of game. SD, while not a very good player because of his "Englishness,"at least has played at a higher level than Zusi and I think is a better player. If Zusi were that good he would have made it to Europe (not just on a trial). Zusi looks like he's in way over his head against better opposition.
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dolcem
Post #43
Sunday August 25, 2013 11:04am

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Oh and Torres has improved a lot as an LM. It's not his position but I'd take him over Zusi now. Zusi ran hard and put in some good crosses but I don't think he'll be able to do that past CONCACAF. And aside from a few good plays he was totally invisible. Neither is a natural winger in the modern sense, but at least Torres is a much more gifted player than Zusi. He crosses well and he is one of the only players in our pool with skill, creativity, technique and passing. He played well in the Gold Cup, especially in the game against Costa Rica, and let's not forget how good the team was looking those games. The British announcers I was listening to said he was one of the best players of the tournament for us and I agree. He provides the team a unique option in that he drifts centrally and lets the fullback make overlapping runs. He feels even more comfortable in the center and has the skill and distribution ability to play passes there.

There's a reason Klinsmann said he wanted to hand him "the keys to the team." He can't do that as his natural position is much deeper, but I'd still take him on the wing over Zusi.
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EKneezy
Post #44
Wednesday August 28, 2013 6:59pm

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He starts for Stoke in about 45 mins vs Walsall!!!

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #45
Wednesday August 28, 2013 7:20pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Good to see Shea getting the start. Hopefully he plays well.

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