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2tone
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Post #1
Saturday January 26, 2013 8:16pm

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Another blah performance from both Boca and Racing Santander today in a loss.

Should Klinsmann really be starting a player that just doesn't look that competent in back anymore against Honduras? Is it time to start the Gonzo and Cameron partnership or Besler/Cameron partnership immediately against Honduras? I am starting to shift towards it's time to sit Boca.

What do you all think?

navi8132
Post #2
Saturday January 26, 2013 8:43pm

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With Cameron, Gonzo, Besler, and John Anthony Brooks, the emerging loss of Boca is just a natural part of this cycle. Shouldn't be a problem. It will be a young pairing sure, but Tim Howard will provide them with the leadership in that area until one is ready to step up a bit more.

nick
Boston, MA
Post #3
Saturday January 26, 2013 9:17pm

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It's definitely a tough call. Boca has invaluable experience but then again you don't gain experience if your not playing. It's a very young backline without Dolo or Boca tho and I think Dolo and Dolos hurt so chandler will probably play meaning our backline would be Johnson 24 (who also may be injured in which case inexperienced Castillo or right back Pankhurst would play there). Then Cameron 27, gonzo/ Besler 24/25 and chandler 22. That's an inexperienced backline an Howard will really have to be commanding back there which I completely trust him to do btw but just saying.

bjelks
Post #4
Saturday January 26, 2013 10:49pm

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Dont worry about experience. You have to develop somewhere. Lets focus on talent and ability. Plenty of players with experience get outplayed by players with more talent everyday.
goalsense
nick
Boston, MA
Post #5
Sunday January 27, 2013 1:29am

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about that. When it comes to these stages where we will be traveling to hostile environments we need proven guys out there. Don't get me wrong, Gonzo and Besler both look to be ready for the next level but other MLS talent has failed at International level. I still see Boca getting playing time in the early away games and then working Gonzo or Besler into the lineup for "easier" home games. And wasn't it you who was saying on a different thread that Castillo is always so nervous when he plays for the Nats and now your saying that experience doesn't matter? That seems like a contradiction. I think we'll be fine with either Castillo/ Parkhurst/ Chander at LB but that's just me.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #6
Sunday January 27, 2013 1:41am

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I think I would stick with Boca and Cameron....we need a good start...then go to the Besler/Cameron combo afterwards in a home game in Colorado vs Costa Rica and the away match vs Mexico. They seems the best way to blood a new CB and pairing....in a home game and then in an away match where the Nats are expected to get any points.

navi8132
Post #7
Sunday January 27, 2013 1:47am

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We'll see who does better Besler or Gonzo come Canada. That will be an enlightening match going forward for WCQs

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #8
Sunday January 27, 2013 1:56am

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Besler fits the system better, hopefully he carries over his form from the past season.

MSantoine
Post #9
Sunday January 27, 2013 2:46am

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My thought process is as follows. Who will most likely be a better player in 2014, Boca or Brooks/Gonzo? Who can get better by playing now, Boca or Brooks/Gonzo? What percentage should we win vs honduras with Boca (I say 60) Whats the same with Brooks/Gonzo ( I say 50%). Is that 10% worth stunting the growth of a young player?

navi8132
Post #10
Sunday January 27, 2013 3:11am

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I would say if we are going to go down a goal it would be due to a forward using his pace against our CBs on the counter, I would see Boca being more liable for this than Besler or Gonzo. I would say Gonzo would give us a better chance of success AND we would nurture the growth of a young player.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #11
Sunday January 27, 2013 3:23am

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Gonzo is equally as slow as Boca.....Besler is the best option to counter that.

bjelks
Post #12
Sunday January 27, 2013 8:13am

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I didnt say experience didnt matter. I said talent/ ability is more important. Just because you have experience doesnt mean you are good or will be effective. Experience just means you're older. But why waste time you could be developing a young player to be safe even if safe doesnt necessarily guarantee better outcomes either now or in the future.

I personally dont believe that Boca would do much of if any better job than Edu, Gonzo, Besler, Brooks at CB. He's quite simply a liability because of his lack of pace, agility, and leaping ability. And hes not getting any younger are sharper.
goalsense
rainORshine
Post #13
Sunday January 27, 2013 2:53pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from 2tone

Another blah performance from both Boca and Racing Santander today in a loss.

Should Klinsmann really be starting a player that just doesn't look that competent in back anymore against Honduras? Is it time to start the Gonzo and Cameron partnership or Besler/Cameron partnership immediately against Honduras? I am starting to shift towards it's time to sit Boca.

What do you all think?


this is a no-brainer, really. the decline of boca is being greatly exaggerated. for instance, 3 racing red cards yesterday is not on boca. at 33, he should have plenty left in the tank and with center back depth as shallow as it is, boca will have a big part to play in qualifying, beginning in honduras.

let gonzo absorb experience form sidelines before giving him first start - maybe in march

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #14
Sunday January 27, 2013 5:22pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

this is a no-brainer, really. the decline of boca is being greatly exaggerated. for instance, 3 racing red cards yesterday is not on boca. at 33, he should have plenty left in the tank and with center back depth as shallow as it is, boca will have a big part to play in qualifying, beginning in honduras.

let gonzo absorb experience form sidelines before giving him first start - maybe in march


I don't think it's being greatly exagerated at all. I think he is in decline and has been the past year. Do I think he still plays in the HEX, yes I think he does. Will he be replaced sometime in the HEX, yes I do.

Coach Kev
Savannah, GA
Post #15
Sunday January 27, 2013 6:35pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Boca is declining naturally with age, but is still an important cog. There is no one who has as much experience which affects how you play. I have a freshman who has more skill than any of the other players at the school but her immaturity and lack of experience means she isn't ready to play varsity this year. There is no one that can replace Boca right now. A year from now may be a different story.
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