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DaBurgh
Pittsburgh Pa
Post #16
Saturday January 26, 2013 4:41pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 77
There is a reason I'm not the coach. I am very high on agudelo. His 1, 2 touch passing is really good and from what I've seen his soccer instincts are fantastic. I would take a serious look at him on the wing in a 4-2-3-1 formation.
GATT on the other hand has a lot to work on. He gets on the end of a cross good it's his passing in run of play that he needs to work on. If Shea were health I would play him over GATT hands down. I'm just not a big fan of zusi. Gram reminds me of feilhaber with less attitude, and Benny nor gram zusi have never impressed me. They are both good skilled players but I feel the jump to the internationa level is a leap to far.

I know that's not the lineup jk will go with against Honduras it's the lineup I would like to see..

reijar1823
Post #17
Saturday January 26, 2013 6:43pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 16
ALTIDORE

EJ DEMPSEY SUSI

BRADLEY JONES/WILLIAMS

FABIAN GONZO CAM CHANDLER

HOWARD

bjelks
Post #18
Saturday January 26, 2013 8:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 146
4-4-2
--Jozy---Boyd--
-----Kljestein----
Davis----------Demps
------Bradley--------
Johnson--Cam--Edu----Chandler
-------Timmy-------

4-3-3
--Aguedelo----Jozy-----Boyd
--Kljestein--Bradley----Demps
Johnson--Cam--Edu----Chandler
-------Tim------

Cant wait for Adu to find a steady home. The playmaker role is his for the taking.

Brek Shea is the most talented winger we have. Get healthy now.

Stuart Holden would be the perfect central mid complement for Bradley. Covers a lot of ground and more direct going forward.

Zusi is simply not natl team material. Too slow. No creativity. Very vanilla player. Cant mark isolated 1v1.

EJ hit his ceiling years ago. He's afraid of pressure and intimidated by big name teams/ players. Im not impressed by tap ins against minnows.

Gomez just isnt better than the young forwards. Just kuz he works hard doesnt make him good or effective.

Boca is done. Hes too slow. Hes a liability 1v1.

Dolo isnt as good as Chandler recovering or going forward.

Castillo is fragile and timid. Cant trust him.

Give Gyau a shot. We're short on wingers JK.

If Beckerman starts another game for the nats, Im moving to another country. He's the reason i practically gave away my Canada tickets.

DO BETTER JK. American fans are smarter than you think.
goalsense
Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #19
Sunday January 27, 2013 12:57pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 276
Original post from bjelks

4-4-2
-Jozy--Boyd-
---Kljestein--
Davis-----Demps
---Bradley----
Johnson-Cam-Edu--Chandler
----Timmy----

4-3-3
-Aguedelo--Jozy---Boyd
-Kljestein-Bradley--Demps
Johnson-Cam-Edu--Chandler
----Tim---

Cant wait for Adu to find a steady home. The playmaker role is his for the taking.

Brek Shea is the most talented winger we have. Get healthy now.

Stuart Holden would be the perfect central mid complement for Bradley. Covers a lot of ground and more direct going forward.

Zusi is simply not natl team material. Too slow. No creativity. Very vanilla player. Cant mark isolated 1v1.

EJ hit his ceiling years ago. He's afraid of pressure and intimidated by big name teams/ players. Im not impressed by tap ins against minnows.

Gomez just isnt better than the young forwards. Just kuz he works hard doesnt make him good or effective.

Boca is done. Hes too slow. Hes a liability 1v1.

Dolo isnt as good as Chandler recovering or going forward.

Castillo is fragile and timid. Cant trust him.

Give Gyau a shot. We're short on wingers JK.

If Beckerman starts another game for the nats, Im moving to another country. He's the reason i practically gave away my Canada tickets.

DO BETTER JK. American fans are smarter than you think.


I just don't understand the love affair with ADU. Yes he shows flashes of brilliance but that all they are, flashes. The guy simply cannot put it together consistently and has been a cancer on every team he has played for. Coaches don't want a loser on their team, they want people who will give their all.
Some of your other statements really baffle me as well, Chandler is better than Dolo? He certainly has not proven that by a long shot. I disagree with almost everything you have written here. I am glad that JK is the coach and not you.

bjelks
Post #20
Sunday January 27, 2013 2:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 146
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I just don't understand the love affair with ADU. Yes he shows flashes of brilliance but that all they are, flashes. The guy simply cannot put it together consistently and has been a cancer on every team he has played for. Coaches don't want a loser on their team, they want people who will give their all.
Some of your other statements really baffle me as well, Chandler is better than Dolo? He certainly has not proven that by a long shot. I disagree with almost everything you have written here. I am glad that JK is the coach and not you.


Which is why you are happy with US soccer being mediocre.

The love affair with Adu is stemmed from the fact that everyone knowing he is the most talented creative attacking player U.S. has ever had in the system. He simply can do things with the ball that no U.S. player has had the ability to do since John Obrien or Tab Ramos. He is literally closest thing we have to a world class #10, playmaker.

Its true that Chandler is a better athlete than Dolo, everyone knows that. He can mark, recover, leap, run at defenders better than Dolo. It is no secret and he has to play in order to develop.

You and JK are the reason we had our first lost to Jamaica in program history, why we needed extra time to beat Antigua, why we are a nightmare to watch to real football fans.

Play good players against less talented players that try hard and do what the coaches ask and see what happens. Talent wins every time. Kyle Beckerman is garbage. No matter how hard he tries he will always be garbage. He will never ever be able to play top-flight in Europe. He cant mark Xavi, Iniesta, Mata, no matter how hard he tries or what the coach says.
goalsense
Footyskillz
Arlington, VA
Post #21
Sunday January 27, 2013 4:31pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 291
Adu now needs to find PT. He won't be called in unless he's playing somewhere and playing well.
USMNT, Porto, and Bundesliga fanatic - T: @gouldinho_j
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #22
Sunday January 27, 2013 5:20pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,924
Totally disagree with the Zusi is to slow and has no creativity. I think someone hasn't watched many games of Zusi with Sporting KC.

Zusi beat Corey Ahse and Kofi Sarkodie for pace multiple times in the playoffs last season. Ashe and Sarkodie are two of the fastest fullbacks in the league. No creativity? The dude had 15 assists. You don't garner 15 assists with out having creativity. Zusi led all assist leaders which included Donovan at 2: 14 assists, Mauro Rosales at 4: 13 assists, and Davis at 5: 12 assists. Those guys are some of the most creative players in MLS.

Hey I think Adu has something to offer, but in my opinion Adu should be nowhere near the USMNT right now. This guy's head is just not right. Oh and Zusi has more pace than Adu does.

bjelks
Post #23
Sunday January 27, 2013 5:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 146
I need Zusi to have an impact on the game against a world class team in a meaningful game, then I promise Ill shut up and give props.

Im sorry I dont respect MLS and no quality league in the world does either. The next time Zusi plays, Ill count how many times he wins a foot race or a 1v1 challenge, but I doubt that will happen. Once again I cant agree with any of the Zusi claims. Creativity has nothing to do with assists. Any tool can knock the ball around in the box with numbers and pray someone runs into it.

The eye test and my vision is 20/20 says that Zusi has none of the technical tools to unlock a top level defense in the final third. If this was the case, he wouldve garnered more attention from bigger clubs. What is he 27, seriously come better?

Ive yet to see Zusi run at and or beat anybody 1v1 the way Shea, Adu, John Obrien could. And saying that Zusi has more pace than freddy adu is just laughable. Ive seen Freddy unlock Spain, Brazil, Mexico, so unless you know a natl player that has a resume comparable, please stop it.
goalsense
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #24
Sunday January 27, 2013 6:20pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,924
Original post from bjelks

I need Zusi to have an impact on the game against a world class team in a meaningful game, then I promise Ill shut up and give props.

Im sorry I dont respect MLS and no quality league in the world does either. The next time Zusi plays, Ill count how many times he wins a foot race or a 1v1 challenge, but I doubt that will happen. Once again I cant agree with any of the Zusi claims. Creativity has nothing to do with assists. Any tool can knock the ball around in the box with numbers and pray someone runs into it.

The eye test and my vision is 20/20 says that Zusi has none of the technical tools to unlock a top level defense in the final third. If this was the case, he wouldve garnered more attention from bigger clubs. What is he 27, seriously come better?

Ive yet to see Zusi run at and or beat anybody 1v1 the way Shea, Adu, John Obrien could. And saying that Zusi has more pace than freddy adu is just laughable. Ive seen Freddy unlock Spain, Brazil, Mexico, so unless you know a natl player that has a resume comparable, please stop it.


Lol. Your argument is contradictory in of itslelf. You claim not to respect MLS, and then argue for Adu and Shea who both play in MLS. Then you claim that garnering 15 assists means he was just banging the ball into the box. And yes Zusi has more pace then Adu. Creativity has nothing to do with assists? Are you seriously that ignorant? You are clearly in your own little world. Your opinons are flawed. You bring no real facts; instead you state that with your "eye test" Zusi has no techincal skill. Well thats opinion based not factual based. I wouldn't take Adu over Zusi right now at all. You bring up what Adu was like 5 years ago against Spain, and then you bring up a U-20 game against Brasil's U-20's. Adu's resume is not that impressive. He played decent against Mexico in the Gold Cup, but I didn't see him really make a huge difference in the outcome of the game. Like I said Adu is talented, but he has done nothing to convince the people that matter that he should be apart of the USMNT. Maybe he gets his chance in the Gold Cup, but he will have to find a club first for that to happen.

Zusi has convinced the people that matter that he should be with the USMNT. He played well against Venezeula and Panama last year, and then played really well against: Jamaica, Antigua, and Guatemala. In those games he has scored a goal and assisted on another. He was a constant thorn in the oppositions side in those games. Working the GK with shots and serving in good balls to the FWDS. Then you have a Adu: He played against Panama and Mexico in the 2011 Gold Cup. He inspired the U.S. to a win against Panama helping set-up the lone goal. He provided an assist from a corner kick against Mexico in the final( which is just banging the ball into the box and hoping someone gets on the end of it by the way). After that Adu was nonexistint for the next 70 minutes. If he can get his club life settled, then maybe he can finally start living up to his talent. Until then he doesn't desrve to be called into the USMNT.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #25
Sunday January 27, 2013 6:35pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,924
Then you state that no other world league respects MLS. This is another laughable statement. Should I list some players that have come from MLS that were or are now plying their trade in Europe? Guzan, Howard, Kljestan, Holden, Bradley, Dempsey, Altidore, Parkhurst, Goodson, Bocanegra, Espinoza, Ryan Nelson, Yura Movsissyan, Freddy Adu, Juan Toja, Stern John, Brad Friedel, Emannual Ekpo; these are just some of the players that have come from MLS and gone onto Europe. Now European teams are looking at MLS academy players to sign. Here are some facts. Please give me more of your opinionated jargon.

stone88
Post #26
Sunday January 27, 2013 6:40pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 818
----------Altidore-----------
Davis-------Deuce------Zusi/Gatt
-------Bradley--Jones---------
johnson----------------Dolo/Chandler
--------Cam--Gonzo/Parkhurst--
----------Howard-----------

bjelks
Post #27
Sunday January 27, 2013 6:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 146
I dont respect Adu and Shea because of their play in MLS, I respect them because of their international performances. Zusi has had some mediocre performances against terrible national teams. You can have them. I wont dispute that. But what has he done against quality opponents? You have nothing.

Zusi convincing the people that matter? Are you listening to yourself?
The US nats are a JOKE. The federation is a joke. The player selection is purely political. Ride JKs jock and you can start. Kyle Beckerman was a regular starter last year. Are you kidding me? How ignorant do you have to be to say all these players such as Aguedelo, Morales, Boyd, which all got calls while they were out of favor with their clubs deserve call ups but Adu doesnt. If Gomez plays and doesnt score, well he had a hell of a work rate. But Altidore doesnt score a hat-trick playing with 3 defensive mids, hes lazy. If you cant comprehend any of this hypocrisy, then youre awfully misguided.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #28
Sunday January 27, 2013 7:05pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 146
Original post from 2tone

Then you state that no other world league respects MLS. This is another laughable statement. Should I list some players that have come from MLS that were or are now plying their trade in Europe? Guzan, Howard, Kljestan, Holden, Bradley, Dempsey, Altidore, Parkhurst, Goodson, Bocanegra, Espinoza, Ryan Nelson, Yura Movsissyan, Freddy Adu, Juan Toja, Stern John, Brad Friedel, Emannual Ekpo; these are just some of the players that have come from MLS and gone onto Europe. Now European teams are looking at MLS academy players to sign. Here are some facts. Please give me more of your opinionated jargon.


Lol, All those players were recognized because of their international play. And they were bought from MLS at very low wages because of Europe's lack of value placed on MLS players due to, you guessed it, lack of respect for the league.

As soon as US fans, stop being tools we may get better.
goalsense
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #29
Sunday January 27, 2013 8:09pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,924
Original post from bjelks

Lol, All those players were recognized because of their international play. And they were bought from MLS at very low wages because of Europe's lack of value placed on MLS players due to, you guessed it, lack of respect for the league.

As soon as US fans, stop being tools we may get better.


All of those players were recognised because of international play? Yet again you show your ignorance. But it's fun to laugh at your rants. It's hilarious you think all US fans are tools; it's nice to see you included yourself in that.

I am going to say this for the last time. Adu does not deserve to be with the USMNT at this time. Agudelo and Boyd are in a position of need: striker, Adu's position is what exactly? CAM? He played well at CAM for the U-20's thats it. If you are basing your argument off of youth tournaments then you are misguided. This is big boy soccer now; not youth soccer. Everywhere Adu has gone Senior Team coaches have never seen Adu as a CAM. I guess all of his club coaches were wrong then according to you. We are all wrong about Adu. Your right he should be in the USMNT starting Line-up every time because Adu played well for the U-20's five years ago. Christ do you even understand what you are stating?

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #30
Sunday January 27, 2013 11:04pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 276
Original post from bjelks

Which is why you are happy with US soccer being mediocre.

The love affair with Adu is stemmed from the fact that everyone knowing he is the most talented creative attacking player U.S. has ever had in the system. He simply can do things with the ball that no U.S. player has had the ability to do since John Obrien or Tab Ramos. He is literally closest thing we have to a world class #10, playmaker.

Its true that Chandler is a better athlete than Dolo, everyone knows that. He can mark, recover, leap, run at defenders better than Dolo. It is no secret and he has to play in order to develop.

You and JK are the reason we had our first lost to Jamaica in program history, why we needed extra time to beat Antigua, why we are a nightmare to watch to real football fans.

Play good players against less talented players that try hard and do what the coaches ask and see what happens. Talent wins every time. Kyle Beckerman is garbage. No matter how hard he tries he will always be garbage. He will never ever be able to play top-flight in Europe. He cant mark Xavi, Iniesta, Mata, no matter how hard he tries or what the coach says.


So I disagree with your post and that means I am happy with US soccer being mediocre? That's your argument eh? Oh, that and everyone knows that Chandler is a better athlete. I don't believe that so I guess not everyone does huh! Chandler is getting regular playing time and has not been playing very well. I do believe he will get the nod somewhere down the line, but he has not proven anything yet, especially with the US nats. I guess it's my turn to make a silly blanket statement. Its guys like you who would cost us qualifying for the World Cup for the first time since 1986
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