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USnLFCfan
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Post #106
Tuesday January 8, 2013 1:11am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from SoccerRyan

United! First European game I ever saw on TV was a United game. Watched Cantona play and been in love ever sense.


Grandpa was a Liverpool fan...grew up watching, and when I hit the age of caring, Stevie G was coming through. I am a huge Stevie G fan...tried to canter my game to his.

dolcem
Post #107
Tuesday January 8, 2013 2:19am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,026
Alcharod you gotta do a better job of choosing your words. I'm not one to talk (on the internet I'm lazy and sometimes resort to insulting people) but being a condescending pr*ck is not the way to get your point across.

And everything you said about Klinsmann was completely off. Right before the World Cup people were calling for his head. Afterwards everyone begged him to stay. He decided not to so they hired his assistant. Klinsmann is credited with rejuvenating the German program and youth system, which had been stagnating when he took over in '04. He encouraged all of the club youth teams to adopt a similar style of play and had it used at all (youth) levels of the national setup. Then he picked a bunch of young, unproven players who fit that style (getting criticized by everyone) and they ended up having a great tournament.

After that his first choice was to coach the US. He could have coached most places in the world but he chose us. Gulati turned him down because Klinsmann wanted more power (Klinsmann wants to do the same thing to the US that he did for Germany) over the youth teams and calling up MLS players. So he went to Bayern Munich. Can you please explain to us how people didn't rate Klinsmann as a manager if Bayern Munich hired him?

Now you'll probably say his stint at Bayern was a failure but that's not true. Bayern is arguably the most difficult place in the world to coach with all of the pressure and Beckenbauer and Hoeness at your back. Klinsmann had no control over transfers and desperately needed an outside back. He destroyed Lisbon in the Champions League only to lose to Barca in the quarters. And he was two points out of first when he was fired. All in all he didn't do a bad job there.

But more importantly, if you don't want Klinsmann than who would you suggest as a manager? Out of everyone in the world familiar with US soccer Klinsmann is by far the best, most qualified manager (and was a legend as a player). It's a no brainer. Yeah he hasn't been perfect but this is a long-term project and I would way rather trust Klinsmann with it than some NCAA/MLS guy.

And as far as work ethic vs. quality goes, you need to have a balance of both. If we had Balotelli in our team sure, we'd have to play him (it would be the manager's job to handle him) but Adu isn't so talented that he absolutely needs to be in the line-up. I really want to see him in the final 23 but you can't blame Klinsmann too much. Klinsmann values both quality and work ethic and that's what we need to do. We don't have the quality to beat the top teams so we need to beat them with grit. Of course quality matters as well though and Klinsmann realizes this (which is why he is being so easy on Donovan, for example). Coach Bob didn't care at all about quality, he only cared about work ethic, which did bother me quite a bit, but JK doesn't have this problem.
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Alcharod
302
Post #108
Tuesday January 8, 2013 3:33am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from dolcem

Alcharod you gotta do a better job of choosing your words. I'm not one to talk (on the internet I'm lazy and sometimes resort to insulting people) but being a condescending pr*ck is not the way to get your point across.

And everything you said about Klinsmann was completely off. Right before the World Cup people were calling for his head. Afterwards everyone begged him to stay. He decided not to so they hired his assistant. Klinsmann is credited with rejuvenating the German program and youth system, which had been stagnating when he took over in '04. He encouraged all of the club youth teams to adopt a similar style of play and had it used at all (youth) levels of the national setup. Then he picked a bunch of young, unproven players who fit that style (getting criticized by everyone) and they ended up having a great tournament.

After that his first choice was to coach the US. He could have coached most places in the world but he chose us. Gulati turned him down because Klinsmann wanted more power (Klinsmann wants to do the same thing to the US that he did for Germany) over the youth teams and calling up MLS players. So he went to Bayern Munich. Can you please explain to us how people didn't rate Klinsmann as a manager if Bayern Munich hired him?

Now you'll probably say his stint at Bayern was a failure but that's not true. Bayern is arguably the most difficult place in the world to coach with all of the pressure and Beckenbauer and Hoeness at your back. Klinsmann had no control over transfers and desperately needed an outside back. He destroyed Lisbon in the Champions League only to lose to Barca in the quarters. And he was two points out of first when he was fired. All in all he didn't do a bad job there.

But more importantly, if you don't want Klinsmann than who would you suggest as a manager? Out of everyone in the world familiar with US soccer Klinsmann is by far the best, most qualified manager (and was a legend as a player). It's a no brainer. Yeah he hasn't been perfect but this is a long-term project and I would way rather trust Klinsmann with it than some NCAA/MLS guy.

And as far as work ethic vs. quality goes, you need to have a balance of both. If we had Balotelli in our team sure, we'd have to play him (it would be the manager's job to handle him) but Adu isn't so talented that he absolutely needs to be in the line-up. I really want to see him in the final 23 but you can't blame Klinsmann too much. Klinsmann values both quality and work ethic and that's what we need to do. We don't have the quality to beat the top teams so we need to beat them with grit. Of course quality matters as well though and Klinsmann realizes this (which is why he is being so easy on Donovan, for example). Coach Bob didn't care at all about quality, he only cared about work ethic, which did bother me quite a bit, but JK doesn't have this problem.


You do realize people stop reading your bs as soon as they see you wrote a screen play right? Sorry...just not caring when i see your crap....

Alcharod
302
Post #109
Tuesday January 8, 2013 3:36am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from USnLFCfan

Good one....not, seeing as they are the most successful club in England and one of the most successful in the world. Who might you be a fan of???? Man United.....


No actually I'm a Valencia man myself. But if it's EPL, i like to go with the under dogs, hot spurs and swansea.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #110
Tuesday January 8, 2013 4:41am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,128
Original post from Alcharod

No actually I'm a Valencia man myself. But if it's EPL, i like to go with the under dogs, hot spurs and swansea.


And you make jokes about Liverpool????

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #111
Tuesday January 8, 2013 10:25am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 273
Lots of negative comments about the roster, which does not surprise me. People are anxious for the attacking creative team we all hope that JK will bring to US Soccer. People need to understand that it will take years to develop that kind of team. In the mean time JK has to win games with the talent he currently has, while continuing to develop younger players.
First thing I remind myself of every time a roster comes out is that not everyone who deserves a call up will get one. After assessing this roster I found that I was pretty happy with it.
Things I like about the roster.
1. JK brought in several older capped professionals in a leadership role. Beckerman, Buddle, Feilhaber, etc.
2. JK did not bring in anyone with even a minor injury.
3. JK brought in several players who may be able to transition to the WCQ squad.

Alcharod
302
Post #112
Tuesday January 8, 2013 2:26pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Lots of negative comments about the roster, which does not surprise me. People are anxious for the attacking creative team we all hope that JK will bring to US Soccer. People need to understand that it will take years to develop that kind of team. In the mean time JK has to win games with the talent he currently has, while continuing to develop younger players.
First thing I remind myself of every time a roster comes out is that not everyone who deserves a call up will get one. After assessing this roster I found that I was pretty happy with it.
Things I like about the roster.
1. JK brought in several older capped professionals in a leadership role. Beckerman, Buddle, Feilhaber, etc.
2. JK did not bring in anyone with even a minor injury.
3. JK brought in several players who may be able to transition to the WCQ squad.


Though they missed the Olympics....the 23-U squad attacked at will. Does not take years for this, it takes putting the right roster together. The talent is there now. You just need to change the tactics, formation, and roster.

bjelks
Post #113
Tuesday January 8, 2013 3:25pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 146
I'm sorry I'm not buying anything about us needing several years to develop a team that can win on the big stage so please spare me. In recent years, we have won the gold cup, been confederation's cup finalists, beaten the #1 team in the world (mighty Spain), and been world cup quarterfinalists with equal or lesser talent. So please save me the speech about us lacking talent, what we have a problem with is mismanagement of players and tactics.

Football is played on the field and although work ethic and chemistry are important, having your best available talent at your disposal and putting your best players in positions that play to their strengths are more important.

And until anyone can make a reasonable argument that a creative mid on the pitch, on the roster, or in the American pool is capable of creating chances and being more dangerous in the final third than Adu, I will not let let JK make it and I will not be ok with the BS US Soccer (Gulati) is feeding us and we will continue to underperform and put a mediocre product on the field according to world standards and our capabilties.
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rainORshine
Post #114
Tuesday January 8, 2013 3:30pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,768
when biggest complaints are about guys like steve clark, conor obrien and freddy adu, you know JK got it pretty much right

clark - undrafted out of college and now plays in norway. sorry, US keepers are a know quantity - if you are really that good, you dont play in norway
obrien - 4 goals, 3 assists in denmark = yawn
adu - less impressive than obrien in MLS

Coach Kev
Savannah, GA
Post #115
Tuesday January 8, 2013 3:31pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 283
Original post from Alcharod

You do realize people stop reading your bs as soon as they see you wrote a screen play right? Sorry...just not caring when i see your crap....


He was actually spot on..a bit long...but spot on about JKs revitalization of the DFB and the impossible task that is being the manager at Bayern. The issue he is having here is there is no infrastructure to revitalize.
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rainORshine
Post #116
Tuesday January 8, 2013 3:44pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,768
as for beckerman:

blame JK for playing him with 1st team last season - he does not belong there. but he belongs on this kind of roster.

this roster is not just about prospects it is also about emergency options should others get hurt - and beckerman falls into that categaory

Bshredder
Post #117
Tuesday January 8, 2013 3:56pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Original post from rainORshine

clark - undrafted out of college and now plays in norway. sorry, US keepers are a know quantity - if you are really that good, you dont play in norway
obrien - 4 goals, 3 assists in denmark = yawn
adu - less impressive than obrien in MLS


You do realize that O'Brien plays a deep-lying midfield position and he's not asked to score a lot of goals? He's a possession-oriented player who can transition the ball quickly from defense to offense.

Clark? He was named the goalkeeper of the year in Norway. Honefoss were going to be relegated if not for him. He faced a TON of shots. Strength of of league matters little when you face the quaility of shots he did.

Watch his highlights from last season. This athleticism is remarkable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwYQyzHUQ38

Alcharod
302
Post #118
Tuesday January 8, 2013 4:17pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from Coach Kev

He was actually spot on..a bit long...but spot on about JKs revitalization of the DFB and the impossible task that is being the manager at Bayern. The issue he is having here is there is no infrastructure to revitalize.


The problem is JK and others need to stop trying to build off of the success of other countries, and give the US it's own identity. If that were the case plus with the way we have been playing I'd sadly want to see BB back and have our counter strike identity back. Right now you don't know what your going to see from game to game.

rainORshine
Post #119
Tuesday January 8, 2013 4:49pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,768
Original post from Bshredder

You do realize that O'Brien plays a deep-lying midfield position and he's not asked to score a lot of goals? He's a possession-oriented player who can transition the ball quickly from defense to offense.

Clark? He was named the goalkeeper of the year in Norway. Honefoss were going to be relegated if not for him. He faced a TON of shots. Strength of of league matters little when you face the quaility of shots he did.

Watch his highlights from last season. This athleticism is remarkable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwYQyzHUQ38


id be fine with obrien being called in - he just has not quite done enough to force his way in. but yes, probably more deserving than guys like diskerud, bedoya and feilhaber. beckerman, morales and evans are the DMs, zusi and gatt are no-brainers

clark is good. so are the guys JK brought in

rainORshine
Post #120
Tuesday January 8, 2013 4:55pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,768
Original post from Bshredder

You do realize that O'Brien plays a deep-lying midfield position and he's not asked to score a lot of goals? He's a possession-oriented player who can transition the ball quickly from defense to offense.

Clark? He was named the goalkeeper of the year in Norway. Honefoss were going to be relegated if not for him. He faced a TON of shots. Strength of of league matters little when you face the quaility of shots he did.

Watch his highlights from last season. This athleticism is remarkable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwYQyzHUQ38


realistically, obrien is in competition with diskerud and feilhaber. everyone seems to think diskerud has the most potential. feilhaber is the guy you use in an emergency, because of his experience. its just a tough call. if he keeps improving he will get his shot

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