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kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #151
Wednesday January 9, 2013 11:18pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Alcharod

For the record books, those are great accomplishments to have, especially the 07 gold cup. But with the 09 Confed Cup, honestly....ask yourself how we were able to get to the semifinal v Spain to begin with. We def did not deserve to even make it that far, but luckily, no body else really did either from our group because Brazil destroyed us, Italy, and Egypt. though we we got lucky and beat Spain, we can't keep banking on lucky performances. Again i was cheering my butt off, but after the fact you have to say..wow we were pretty damn lucky to even be in that position.

WC2010, Just like the UK papers said E..ngland A..lgeria S..lovakia...Y..anks that spells easy group, and again the the alergia match..GOOSEBUMPS, great comeback v Slovakia, and thank God robert green sucks.... Give me the 02 WC team over the past couple teams. For once I just want us to dominate on a World Stage.

Not gonna lie, I haven't been keen to much you have said but I was thinking about that earlier. IMO our 2002 WC team has been the best WC squad we have had to date.
We are going to Brazil
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #152
Wednesday January 9, 2013 11:20pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,019
Original post from Alcharod

For the record books, those are great accomplishments to have, especially the 07 gold cup. But with the 09 Confed Cup, honestly....ask yourself how we were able to get to the semifinal v Spain to begin with. We def did not deserve to even make it that far, but luckily, no body else really did either from our group because Brazil destroyed us, Italy, and Egypt. though we we got lucky and beat Spain, we can't keep banking on lucky performances. Again i was cheering my butt off, but after the fact you have to say..wow we were pretty damn lucky to even be in that position.

WC2010, Just like the UK papers said E..ngland A..lgeria S..lovakia...Y..anks that spells easy group, and again the the alergia match..GOOSEBUMPS, great comeback v Slovakia, and thank God robert green sucks.... Give me the 02 WC team over the past couple teams. For once I just want us to dominate on a World Stage.


Look the 02 team played well, but man they were lucky to get out of the group stage.

Dominate on the world stage? Uhm the U.S. is about two WC cycles away from that happening. Luck is a part of any tournament though, so I will take some lucky bounces that drop the USMNT way.

Bshredder
Post #153
Wednesday January 9, 2013 11:21pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Original post from Alcharod

For the record books, those are great accomplishments to have, especially the 07 gold cup. But with the 09 Confed Cup, honestly....ask yourself how we were able to get to the semifinal v Spain to begin with. We def did not deserve to even make it that far, but luckily, no body else really did either from our group because Brazil destroyed us, Italy, and Egypt. though we we got lucky and beat Spain, we can't keep banking on lucky performances. Again i was cheering my butt off, but after the fact you have to say..wow we were pretty damn lucky to even be in that position.

WC2010, Just like the UK papers said E..ngland A..lgeria S..lovakia...Y..anks that spells easy group, and again the the alergia match..GOOSEBUMPS, great comeback v Slovakia, and thank God robert green sucks.... Give me the 02 WC team over the past couple teams. For once I just want us to dominate on a World Stage.


The US was not lucky against Spain. They were brilliant. Howard made a lot of saves but the truth is that they were easy saves from distance. In fact, the Swiss freely admit they copied Bob Bradley's game plan at the 2010 WC that allowed them to beat Spain in the group stages.

As for the group stage at the Confed Cup, I would have loved to see how it would have turned out against Italy if Rico Clark had not been given that red card (which was a bad call). The US was better than Italy up to that point in the game.

Alcharod
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Post #154
Wednesday January 9, 2013 11:27pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from Bshredder

The US was not lucky against Spain. They were brilliant. Howard made a lot of saves but the truth is that they were easy saves from distance. In fact, the Swiss freely admit they copied Bob Bradley's game plan at the 2010 WC that allowed them to beat Spain in the group stages.

As for the group stage at the Confed Cup, I would have loved to see how it would have turned out against Italy if Rico Clark had not been given that red card (which was a bad call). The US was better than Italy up to that point in the game.


I meant lucky but i didnt mean lucky if that makes sense. Lucky that we did not play the way we played before we got to the semi final.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #155
Thursday January 10, 2013 1:28am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,019
Poor Rico Clark. Always put himslef in a few bad situations that really hurt the USMNT.

You know Danny Williams reminds me of Rico, but more athletic. I hope Danny can have a good second half of the season. Because he wasn't looking to good for Hoffenheim before the winter break.

GD10
Post #156
Thursday January 10, 2013 1:29am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 240
Plus we were great in the final until we self destructed in the second half against brazil (MB90 was suspended and that was huge could have made the difference). Also the 2 goal lead against Mexico then we imploded again to an unlucky injury. Bob could have still been leading this team if it wasn't for the gold cup loss, but this is hypothetically speaking of course.

dolcem
Post #157
Thursday January 10, 2013 2:00am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
SAF's comments were basically along the lines of 'American players suck, I'm surprised Bradley got them out of the group stage.' That group, considering how bad England was, was the easiest group in recent WC history. It took a last second goal for us to qualify out of it. Getting the Edu goal called back was unfortunate but remember the whistle was blown before he scored it. Anyway, Landon doesn't score that goal and the whole thing would have been a massive failure. Then we get Ghana in the round of 16 and we can't win that one. Confederations Cup is not a meaningful tournament. We looked awful against Brazil and Italy in the group stage, beat a tired Egyptian team, and had three very good halves of soccer. The way that US team was built we could occasionally get results like that against unathletic but technical teams like Spain if they underestimated us. And we did. Good job. But I'd say that was the players more than Coach Bob. 95% of the time under him we were playing crap NCAA kickball and that was against the CONCACAF teams. The problem with that style of play is that you can win if you're lucky but if not you're going to lose. Coach Bob also routinely looked like he had no idea what he was doing in terms of tactics and player selections. There was no end goal or plan for how we wanted to play. It took him like a year to figure out that we should play Altidore and Davies up top instead of people like Ching. How many times did we have to see Bornstein, Clark, Hejduk, Ching, Casey, etc. suit up for us? And the players who had been exposed to higher level coaching in Europe didn't like Coach Bob. No one defended him after he was fired. Landon said we were "tactically naive" against Ghana and then when he was fired said "that's none of my business."

And Gold Cup and finishing first in the Hex? Seriously? Look how bad Mexico was last cycle. Under those circumstances those finishes should be expected. At this point finishing behind any team besides Mexico is a failure. So if Mexico is doing really poorly, we should be expected to win. I'm not bothered how we finish though as long as we qualify for the WC and I don't really care about the Gold Cup (it's not an important tournament). Part of what we are doing there is preparing for the World Cup, so if we lose a game here and there because we're trying to experiment than I'm OK with it. The thing was though under Bob there was no experimenting. We'd be playing Cuba and he'd start 35 year old MLS guys like Hejduk who obviously wouldn't be at the World Cup because only the result mattered and we needed the experience. When we're playing against Cuba that should not be the case. Klinsmann has a long-term project, Coach Bob never did.

The nepotism was a problem because Bradley, Jr. played way, way more than he should have and not in the right role. Even though he played his best ever in the WC, it made no sense to have players like Torres and Feilhaber sit behind him as DM's while he played as the CM with unlimited freedom to run wherever he wanted. Bradley should have been the DM (his position at the time) while they should have been played in their natural positions as CM's. Why on earth would you play Torres or Feilhaber as a DM in a 4-4-2.

Oh, and playing LD and Dempsey on the wing was "innovative?" They're wingers! LD plays as a support striker at times but he has played on the wing throughout his career. And one of my biggest beefs with Coach Bob was that he could not get anything out of Dempsey. He's our best player but always played like crap for us. That's because our midfield had absolutely no shape. The off-the-ball movement for us under Coach Bob was terrible. The wingers were high up the pitch, Bradley, Jr. was running around like a chicken with his head cut off so the holding midfielder had to stay way back and the strikers were chasing down loose balls. We couldn't string together more than two passes, ever, so Dempsey was stuck high up on the pitch completely isolated and unable to do anything.

Don't get me wrong, Coach Bob is a good coach by MLS standards, but he is not a good coach compared to European coaches. We looked like an MLS side under him. Always. All we could do was boot the ball forward and hope for some luck. Player development will always be a step ahead of coaching for the reasons I already listed. We have had dozens of players make it into European leagues. How many American coaches have done the same? Berhalter right after retiring went to coach in the second Swedish division. I'm stoked about it and that shows how big the gap is. You can talk all you want about journalists in Europe respecting Bob but the fact is he couldn't get a job there to save his life and ended up taking an Egypt job that no one wanted.

Sorry for another long post but it's just ridiculous to compare Coach Bob to Klinsmann. Even if Klinsmann doesn't do well for us (this is Coach Bob's backyard and not Klinsmann's).
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DaBurgh
Pittsburgh Pa
Post #158
Thursday January 10, 2013 2:23am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 77
@ dolce n
I couldn't agree more, I couldn't have said it better and I sure as heck could not have written as long a post... Your very insightful...

MSantoine
Post #159
Thursday January 10, 2013 3:29am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,184
Original post from dolcem

But I'd say that was the players more than Coach Bob. 95% of the time under him we were playing crap NCAA kickball and that was against the CONCACAF teams. The problem with that style of play is that you can win if you're lucky but if not you're going to lose.


This is one of the most inaccurate statements that can be made and shows you like to talk a lot without knowing what your talking about. Your saying we were luky to not lose under Bradley? 2009 gold cup - 6 games, zero losses. 2010 world cup qualifying- 18 games, 3 losses (1 where they played all backups as they already clinched advancing and one in mexico). 2010 World Cup- 4 games, zero losses (extra time officially counts as a tie). Overall thats 28 A team matches with 4 losses. How is that being lucky not to lose??

MSantoine
Post #160
Thursday January 10, 2013 3:31am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,184
Original post from Alcharod

WC2010, Just like the UK papers said E..ngland A..lgeria S..lovakia...Y..anks that spells easy group, and again the the alergia match..GOOSEBUMPS, great comeback v Slovakia, and thank God robert green sucks.... Give me the 02 WC team over the past couple teams. For once I just want us to dominate on a World Stage.


So this is explains your point of view. This hows you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. We played Slovenia. Not Slovakia. If you actually watched games/followed the team you'd know who they played against. I know 2.5 years is a long time ago but seriously.

Alcharod
302
Post #161
Thursday January 10, 2013 4:22am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from MSantoine

So this is explains your point of view. This hows you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. We played Slovenia. Not Slovakia. If you actually watched games/followed the team you'd know who they played against. I know 2.5 years is a long time ago but seriously.


wow i guess you are the only person to not spell something wrong lmao...stop being a phagget and stop trying to insult me...wont work. obviously you knew what country.

MSantoine
Post #162
Thursday January 10, 2013 5:37am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,184
[quote]Original post from Alcharod

wow i guess you are the only person to not spell something wrong lmao...stop being a phagget and stop trying to insult me...wont work. obviously you knew what country.[/quote

Last I checked Slovakia was a country. Not a misspelling of Slovenia. If you said Slovina or something like that, its a misspelling. My guess is you get your soccer knowledge from ESPN and think the more ESPN articles about a player the better they are

SoccerRyan
Dallas Texas
Post #163
Thursday January 10, 2013 6:42am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 44
[quote]Original post from MSantoine

[quote]Original post from Alcharod

wow i guess you are the only person to not spell something wrong lmao...stop being a phagget and stop trying to insult me...wont work. obviously you knew what country.[/quote

Last I checked Slovakia was a country. Not a misspelling of Slovenia. If you said Slovina or something like that, its a misspelling. My guess is you get your soccer knowledge from ESPN and think the more ESPN articles about a player the better they are[/quote]

I have nothing meaningful to add to this except for that was awesome and Alcharod looks like the fool that he is lol

Bshredder
Post #164
Thursday January 10, 2013 6:52am

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Original post from dolcem

SAF's comments were basically along the lines of 'American players suck, I'm surprised Bradley got them out of the group stage.' That group, considering how bad England was, was the easiest group in recent WC history. It took a last second goal for us to qualify out of it. Getting the Edu goal called back was unfortunate but remember the whistle was blown before he scored it. Anyway, Landon doesn't score that goal and the whole thing would have been a massive failure. Then we get Ghana in the round of 16 and we can't win that one. Confederations Cup is not a meaningful tournament. We looked awful against Brazil and Italy in the group stage, beat a tired Egyptian team, and had three very good halves of soccer. The way that US team was built we could occasionally get results like that against unathletic but technical teams like Spain if they underestimated us. And we did. Good job. But I'd say that was the players more than Coach Bob. 95% of the time under him we were playing crap NCAA kickball and that was against the CONCACAF teams. The problem with that style of play is that you can win if you're lucky but if not you're going to lose. Coach Bob also routinely looked like he had no idea what he was doing in terms of tactics and player selections. There was no end goal or plan for how we wanted to play. It took him like a year to figure out that we should play Altidore and Davies up top instead of people like Ching. How many times did we have to see Bornstein, Clark, Hejduk, Ching, Casey, etc. suit up for us? And the players who had been exposed to higher level coaching in Europe didn't like Coach Bob. No one defended him after he was fired. Landon said we were "tactically naive" against Ghana and then when he was fired said "that's none of my business."

And Gold Cup and finishing first in the Hex? Seriously? Look how bad Mexico was last cycle. Under those circumstances those finishes should be expected. At this point finishing behind any team besides Mexico is a failure. So if Mexico is doing really poorly, we should be expected to win. I'm not bothered how we finish though as long as we qualify for the WC and I don't really care about the Gold Cup (it's not an important tournament). Part of what we are doing there is preparing for the World Cup, so if we lose a game here and there because we're trying to experiment than I'm OK with it. The thing was though under Bob there was no experimenting. We'd be playing Cuba and he'd start 35 year old MLS guys like Hejduk who obviously wouldn't be at the World Cup because only the result mattered and we needed the experience. When we're playing against Cuba that should not be the case. Klinsmann has a long-term project, Coach Bob never did.

The nepotism was a problem because Bradley, Jr. played way, way more than he should have and not in the right role. Even though he played his best ever in the WC, it made no sense to have players like Torres and Feilhaber sit behind him as DM's while he played as the CM with unlimited freedom to run wherever he wanted. Bradley should have been the DM (his position at the time) while they should have been played in their natural positions as CM's. Why on earth would you play Torres or Feilhaber as a DM in a 4-4-2.

Oh, and playing LD and Dempsey on the wing was "innovative?" They're wingers! LD plays as a support striker at times but he has played on the wing throughout his career. And one of my biggest beefs with Coach Bob was that he could not get anything out of Dempsey. He's our best player but always played like crap for us. That's because our midfield had absolutely no shape. The off-the-ball movement for us under Coach Bob was terrible. The wingers were high up the pitch, Bradley, Jr. was running around like a chicken with his head cut off so the holding midfielder had to stay way back and the strikers were chasing down loose balls. We couldn't string together more than two passes, ever, so Dempsey was stuck high up on the pitch completely isolated and unable to do anything.

Don't get me wrong, Coach Bob is a good coach by MLS standards, but he is not a good coach compared to European coaches. We looked like an MLS side under him. Always. All we could do was boot the ball forward and hope for some luck. Player development will always be a step ahead of coaching for the reasons I already listed. We have had dozens of players make it into European leagues. How many American coaches have done the same? Berhalter right after retiring went to coach in the second Swedish division. I'm stoked about it and that shows how big the gap is. You can talk all you want about journalists in Europe respecting Bob but the fact is he couldn't get a job there to save his life and ended up taking an Egypt job that no one wanted.

Sorry for another long post but it's just ridiculous to compare Coach Bob to Klinsmann. Even if Klinsmann doesn't do well for us (this is Coach Bob's backyard and not Klinsmann's).


This is pure insanity. Bob experimented far, far more than Klinsmann ever did. He started Davies right after he began scoring in Sweden. He was ahead of the curve in that.

He fast tracked into the team players like Davies, Holden, Chandler, Lichaj, Altidore, Agudelo, Diskerud at points in their career where I'm not sure Klinsmann would have.

Donovan's comments are to be taken with a grain of salt as he had to come off the bench at the 2011 Gold Cup. There were players who defended Bradley after World Cup. Off the top of my head Bocanegra, Cherundolo, and most vividly Gomez were strong supporters.

From 2007-2010 Bob Bradley earned quality results in every tournament minus the reserve team Gold Cup in 2009. The 2007 Gold Cup, the 2009 Confederations Cup, and the 2010 World Cup were all successful tournaments.

Severn13
Lakenheath, United Kingdom
Post #165
Thursday January 10, 2013 8:41am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 10
Original post from GD10

Plus we were great in the final until we self destructed in the second half against brazil (MB90 was suspended and that was huge could have made the difference). Also the 2 goal lead against Mexico then we imploded again to an unlucky injury. Bob could have still been leading this team if it wasn't for the gold cup loss, but this is hypothetically speaking of course.


As soon as Cherundolo got injured and Bornstein came in, I looked over to my friend and said "were gonna lose"

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