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bjelks
Post #301
Monday November 26, 2018 6:22am

Joined Nov 2012
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@lilshmike Bobby Wood has done more with less at a higher level according to everyone else in the world but you, but you want to make an argument that Jozy is our best fwd.
Give me a break.

Jozy bombed out of Europe and led USA to our biggest failure ever with Captain America and you're still fanboying out. No thanks!
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tylercocinas
Post #302
Monday November 26, 2018 4:43pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,138
Original post from bjelks

@lilshmike Bobby Wood has done more with less at a higher level according to everyone else in the world but you, but you want to make an argument that Jozy is our best fwd.
Give me a break.

Jozy bombed out of Europe and led USA to our biggest failure ever with Captain America and you're still fanboying out. No thanks!


He bombed out of Europe yet he had offers in Ligue 1 and the Bundesliga when he came to TFC? Bobby is playing at a higher level right now but Jozy had a tough year and I wouldn't be surprised to see him move soon.

bjelks
Post #303
Monday November 26, 2018 5:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 796
@tylercocinas he's pushing 30 and has played his last 3 yrs in MLS. He's also known to have problems staying healthy. What 30+ yr old mls strikers have transferred to top leagues in the past 3 yrs? Respectfully, I can't think of one.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #304
Monday November 26, 2018 9:06pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,840
Pushing 30? I didn't know just turning 26 was pushing 30?....

Know Nothing
Post #305
Monday November 26, 2018 9:22pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,476
Original post from 2tone

Pushing 30? I didn't know just turning 26 was pushing 30?....


Just to clarify...

Jozy is 29
Bobby is 26

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #306
Monday November 26, 2018 11:26pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,840
Original post from Know Nothing

Just to clarify...

Jozy is 29
Bobby is 26


Oh ok. My bad.

cudevil
Post #307
Tuesday November 27, 2018 12:45am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 705
Original post from 2tone

Oh ok. My bad.


Altidore just turned 29 for the record. And Wood still hasn't ever had a season anywhere near Altidore's best season. Sure, the Bundesliga is better that the Eresdivisie, but that doesn't quite cover the 31 vs. 3 delta. Wood also hasn't come close to ever scoring at the same pace as Altidore for the Nats, and he's been the first choice striker for a year now.

GD10
Post #308
Tuesday November 27, 2018 1:17am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 271
Bobby Wood brings a whole lot more to the table than Jozy to the national Team. Wood scored 7 goals for a god awful Hamburg team much like the Hull and Sunderland Teams Joey played for and only scored 2. Wood can actually make great individual plays and his hold up play is top notch especially the games he played at the Copa in 2016. If Wood was on a better team he would be scoring a heck of a lot more that's for sure.

bjelks
Post #309
Tuesday November 27, 2018 1:52am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 796
Original post from cudevil

Altidore just turned 29 for the record. And Wood still hasn't ever had a season anywhere near Altidore's best season. Sure, the Bundesliga is better that the Eresdivisie, but that doesn't quite cover the 31 vs. 3 delta. Wood also hasn't come close to ever scoring at the same pace as Altidore for the Nats, and he's been the first choice striker for a year now.


I said pushing 30, 29 is closer to 30 than 25, 20 etc. In football years, he's much closer to decline than ascent.

Lol Someone who understands football isn't going to compare scoring in a 2nd tier league with a top tier league. Against inferior defense and in a potent attack, where you're being fed tap-ins, it's not that impressive in the grand scheme of football. If you're trying to win games against top level competition, it would seem to me that the guy that scores more quality goals against higher competition would give you the best chance. That guy is clearly Wood by world standards in comparison to Jozy.

At the international level, scoring is all about opportunities and service. If jozy is preferred striker and not being pushed for his spot because of a shallow pool, of course he will have more opportunities and service lol. I'm interested in what Jozy does when he gets half a chance and history tells us not much. And it's laughable to compare Wood's strike rate in the DS era in our most tactically challenged yr in modern history.

Im sorry buddy, no one outside of America rates Jozy higher than Wood or even respects his playbover the last 4 yrs.
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cudevil
Post #310
Tuesday November 27, 2018 4:47am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 705
I could give a shit about how people "rate" Wood at the club level. Jozy > Wood for the Nats, and it's frankly all that matters. Most of your argument against Jozy is provably false...from the "he only scores tap ins" to "he only scores against minnows". Both Wood and a Jozy have suspect touch. Jozy, in my opinion, has superior passing and hold up skills. Wood's work rate and conditioning are better than Jozy's. But at the end of the day, Jozy scores at a higher rate and Wood hasn't shown himself to be better over the past 12 months as the first choice guy.

If you want to put Sargent as no. 1, I'm fine with that, but Jozy should still be in the conversation. Even if you want to argue that Wood is better, Jozy is no worse than no. 3.

Spank
661
Post #311
Tuesday November 27, 2018 7:46am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 120
I'll just say that i throughly enjoyed Jozy's AZ days. Tuning in every week to watch Jozy tear it up was a much funner and simpler time. With that said, Jozy is not that striker anymore and hasn't been for years. Dude lose all confidence at Sunderland and looked like one of the worst strikers to ever play in the prem. Jozy is at the tail end of his career and playing in MLS. Wood is currently better and plays in a much better league. At the end of the day, this isn't about Jozy vs Wood, it's about MLS homers vs everyone else.

bjelks
Post #312
Tuesday November 27, 2018 1:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 796
Original post from cudevil

I could give a shit about how people "rate" Wood at the club level. Jozy > Wood for the Nats, and it's frankly all that matters. Most of your argument against Jozy is provably false...from the "he only scores tap ins" to "he only scores against minnows". Both Wood and a Jozy have suspect touch. Jozy, in my opinion, has superior passing and hold up skills. Wood's work rate and conditioning are better than Jozy's. But at the end of the day, Jozy scores at a higher rate and Wood hasn't shown himself to be better over the past 12 months as the first choice guy.

If you want to put Sargent as no. 1, I'm fine with that, but Jozy should still be in the conversation. Even if you want to argue that Wood is better, Jozy is no worse than no. 3.


In Wood's 3 yrs of top flight football, he has over 3x the goal output that Jozy has and counting.

Wood has played for bottom teams and had to fight day in and day out and mostly scored from individual effort.

Jozy has been described as lazy, brick footed, and even the worst striker in league history by his EPL performances. If you want to obsess over Jozy's hold up play, I'll give you that, but he doesn't do anything else as well or better than Wood even in his prime.

He's scored lots of goals for the Nats is such an American thing to say lol. I mean with no consideration for the context or quality of the goals, service, or competition scored in. Way to be a proud American lol. Wondo and Zardes have scored lots of mls goals but they're terrible players.

Wood hasn't shown himself to be better in 12 months even though he's starting in a league 2 levels higher and scoring at a level Jozy never has mostly off individual quality and effort lol. Tell me more.

I like Sargeant but I'm not rating him higher than someone starting and scoring in the first team of a top league.

For me, Jozy is a declining injury proned player with a poor work rate and very limited technical ability in a 3rd tier league and I have no problem leaving him out of national team for Wood, Nova, Sargeant, Weah, Jann George.
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Lilshmike
Post #313
Tuesday November 27, 2018 5:02pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from Spank

I'll just say that i throughly enjoyed Jozy's AZ days. Tuning in every week to watch Jozy tear it up was a much funner and simpler time. With that said, Jozy is not that striker anymore and hasn't been for years. Dude lose all confidence at Sunderland and looked like one of the worst strikers to ever play in the prem. Jozy is at the tail end of his career and playing in MLS. Wood is currently better and plays in a much better league. At the end of the day, this isn't about Jozy vs Wood, it's about MLS homers vs everyone else.
Not sure where you are getting this from, but in no way is that the case. The issue is that Jozy (unfortunately) is still one of our best strikers - regardless of where he or anyone else plays club. And until someone else (other than Wood) can actually come along and prove that otherwise, he should still be in the conversation with respect to the pool.

Also, I would not exactly agree that Wood is better. There is definitely an argument to be made for each of them, but it comes down to 3 things:
- The players around them in the team who can provide service
- The formations/style of play of the team
- The position and role that they play

Both have different skillsets and bring different things to the table. Depending on what those 3 points are will determine who would be better suited/a better option to run up front.

If you want to sit back, defend, and kick long balls over the top to try and have your forward run 1 on 1/have breakaways in open space? Wood is likely the better option.

If you want a hold up guy to keep possession, slow down play to get players forward, and earn fouls around the box? Jozy is likely your better option for that.

Lilshmike
Post #314
Tuesday November 27, 2018 5:16pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 870
Original post from bjelks

@lilshmike Bobby Wood has done more with less at a higher level according to everyone else in the world but you, but you want to make an argument that Jozy is our best fwd.
Give me a break.

Jozy bombed out of Europe and led USA to our biggest failure ever with Captain America and you're still fanboying out. No thanks!
Find one quote from one reputable soccer figure who has made this claim with respect to Wood vs Jozy.

Also, find one reputable soccer figure who has publicly said that Jozy is no longer one of our top forwards? I am not saying THE best, but ONE OF the best. And I'm not talking about some random person/armchair analyst on an internet website. Brian Dunseth, Taylor Twellman, John Harkes, Stuart Holden, Alexi Lalas, Grant Wahl, Tony Meola, etc. Someone who is actually known, a former player or manager, someone who knows what they are talking about.

Seriously, if everyone in the world thinks he is so bad, then this should be an easy task. Put up or shut up.

Know Nothing
Post #315
Tuesday November 27, 2018 5:44pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,476
Original post from Lilshmike

Find one quote from one reputable soccer figure who has made this claim with respect to Wood vs Jozy.

Also, find one reputable soccer figure who has publicly said that Jozy is no longer one of our top forwards? I am not saying THE best, but ONE OF the best. And I'm not talking about some random person/armchair analyst on an internet website. Brian Dunseth, Taylor Twellman, John Harkes, Stuart Holden, Alexi Lalas, Grant Wahl, Tony Meola, etc. Someone who is actually known, a former player or manager, someone who knows what they are talking about.

Seriously, if everyone in the world thinks he is so bad, then this should be an easy task. Put up or shut up.


I would think the fact the powers that be at the USSF, the ones you seem so keen to defend as knowing what they are doing, are saying that due to the lack of callups he has gotten recently. In fact, you can argue that the USSF says this because they keep calling up a RESERVE instead of him!

And given how your arguments have gone in the past, you would simply dismiss any name we brought forward as lacking in their understanding of the American player.

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