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2tone
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Post #1
Monday December 17, 2012 7:07pm

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I stated a few weeks ago that the #6 position for the USMNT is a cause of concern.

Lets look at the issues:

1. Williams- Since his good display against Jamaica back in September Williams form has dropped off significantly for club and country. He was awful against Russia, and his poor form for Hoffenheim has resulted in him being the first sub made multiple times, not starting, or completely left out of the 18 like this past weekend. Hopefully this winter break will rejuvenate him a little and get him back into starting contention for Hoffenheim.

2. Jones- A. He has another lengthy ban. B. Klinsmann has stated multiple times he doesn't want to play Jones as a #6, and finally C. Huub Stevens was fired. Stevens was a supporter of Jones and liked what Jones brought to the team, but now his minutes could get even more restricted if the interim manager looks at other players for his position.

3. Edu- Not playing, and in most cases not even in Stokes 18. Not looking good for him.

Now lets look at players that Klinsmann will most definitely have to look at.

1. Connor O'Brien- He can play both the #8 and #6. Smooth passing, but needs to work on his defense.
2. Perry Kitchen- I think he has huge upside for the national team at the #6. I think he is more talented than Danny Williams, and covers ground much better. His range of passing is getting better, and he is bull dog defensively.
3. Dax Mccarty- Really shined in the #6 role for the Red Bulls, and it seems that is his position going forward. Has a motor, good range of passing, and has gotten much better defensively.
4. Okugo- I think he is much better as a CB.

Other players:

Holden- Can he play the #6? Yes, but we need to wait and see what kind of player he is now. A strong second half of the season will put him back into contention for the USMNT midfield.

Cameron- With other CB options starting to appear i.e. Hines, Brooks, Gonzo, WHitbread, and Besler. Could Klinsmann move him more into a #6 role? Possibly, but I think he keeps Cam as a CB.

Beckerman- He plays the position the way Klinsmann likes, but his lack of lateral movement and his age are major hits against him going forward.

Alonso- This guy could be the solution. Will FIFA rule in his favor? That remains to be seen.

I don't have confidence in Williams to actually be the starter for the USMNT. He is way to sporadic with his form, but I think he will be a good option to have on the bench.

If Jones' minutes start to diminish for Schalke then I could see Klinsmann start to leave him off of the roster. Jones really hasn't brought much to the USMNT. I like the guy, but he tries to do to much on the filed for the Nats instead of playing to his strengths. Jones will more than likely end up as a bench player for the Nats come WC 2014.

Don't be surprised to see Kitchen and Mccarty in the USMNT come January camp. So that Klinsmann can take a look at both of them.

MSantoine
Post #2
Monday December 17, 2012 8:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Its funny how a position of strength (cm) and a position of weakness (cb) have seemingly flip flopped in a few months. Luckily with Bradley's versatility it opens up the option of pairing him with a less traditional #6 (ie Beckerman). Very interested to see who gets called into January's camp and who plays against Canada. (Announced for Jan 29th)

Lilshmike
Post #3
Monday December 17, 2012 9:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
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@2tone

1. Williams is young, and has time. Its not a big deal.

2. A 4 game suspension for Jones isn't exactly a bad thing, but new management may be. Only time will tell, but Jones is a seasoned vet who will be able to easily find a team that wants him and will start him.

3. Edu is fine. Regardless of what anyone else thinks or says, HE IS a great player. Lets be honest, although he doesn't even dress for games or make the bench, being able to practice day in and day out with Stoke in the premier league is a step up from where he would be with Rangers in the 4th tier of Scottish soccer. Transfer window is opening up soon so it should be expected that Edu at least goes out on loan to another club.

4. Everything is going to be good for the USMNT. Klinsmann is smart and the US have options. The USMNT fanbase has been extremely critical and bipolar when it comes to his coaching. There is no doubt that he has his eye on some players. Whoever he brings in, it will probably work out. The good thing is that whoever he brings in, the chances are that they will be young. Assuming they do well, they may be able to solidify a presence for years to come which will only benefit the national team in the long run.

tylercocinas
Post #4
Monday December 17, 2012 11:06pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from 2tone

2. Perry Kitchen- I think he has huge upside for the national team at the #6. I think he is more talented than Danny Williams, and covers ground much better. His range of passing is getting better, and he is bull dog defensively.


I love Perry and I want him to have a lengthy international and club career but Williams is way more athletic than he, and probably has a higher upside. You could argue that Perry might read the game better at this point, but realistically that's insignificant because they're both still at the nacent stages of their respective careers. Danny's simply going through a slump right now, as many players often do throughout their careers. Doesn't mean he's not the best fit for USMNT at #6 for the foreseeable future.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #5
Tuesday December 18, 2012 1:08am

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Original post from tylercocinas

I love Perry and I want him to have a lengthy international and club career but Williams is way more athletic than he, and probably has a higher upside. You could argue that Perry might read the game better at this point, but realistically that's insignificant because they're both still at the nacent stages of their respective careers. Danny's simply going through a slump right now, as many players often do throughout their careers. Doesn't mean he's not the best fit for USMNT at #6 for the foreseeable future.


I have watched Williams quite a bit, and in no way would I say he is more athletic. Actually he may be slower than Kitchen. Kitchen is also better in the air.

I like both Williams and Kitchen, but in my opinion Kitchen has more upside.

twr96
Post #6
Tuesday December 18, 2012 1:57am

Joined Jun 2012
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I would not be surprised if F. Johnson and Danny Williams transfer in Jan. or in the Summer.

dolcem
Post #7
Tuesday December 18, 2012 7:01am

Joined Nov 2012
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Between Jones, Williams, Bradley, and even Edu, to a lesser extent, we have four great DM's. We could always use Beckerman too, fans hate on him but I think he isn't as bad as people say. We have some decent CM's too, Torres, Diskerud, Klejstan, O'Brien, etc. Of course Bradley and Jones can play there as well. We are stacked at these positions. Even if Edu and Williams aren't playing for their clubs at the moment it's OK. We'll have enough DM's and CM's come 2014. The problem is who to pair with Cameron (Boca will probably be too old) and who to put on the wing to replace Landon. Besides Dempsey our wingers are terrible, Gomez can play there and is our best bet at the moment but he'll be old 2014 too.
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thisguy2
Inland empire
Post #8
Tuesday December 18, 2012 4:14pm

Joined Dec 2012
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I have noticed something, everyone here seems to think all players from MLS are the key answer, when really it's not! What makes you guys think players like Perry Kitchen, Dax, and Pontius, and so forth would do good at international level? I'm tired of hearing these guys being out keys WHEN they haven't been called up or even played one minute of competitive soccer..until thy make it in the top four leagues in the world, by than they would make it
Thisguy2
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Post #9
Tuesday December 18, 2012 4:47pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from thisguy2

I have noticed something, everyone here seems to think all players from MLS are the key answer, when really it's not! What makes you guys think players like Perry Kitchen, Dax, and Pontius, and so forth would do good at international level? I'm tired of hearing these guys being out keys WHEN they haven't been called up or even played one minute of competitive soccer..until thy make it in the top four leagues in the world, by than they would make it


I don't know about classifying players that only make it into the top four leagues in the world as potential for the USMNT - why hate on MLS? It's one of the fastest developing leagues in the world and is pulling great talent from abroad as well as nurturing young players - or at least it's getting there. Don't believe me? Dempsey with the Revs, Guzan with Chivas, EJ with several clubs, Jozy with NYRB, Bradley with the old Metrostars, etc. - the list goes on.

Several of these young players mentioned are on the cusp of international moves as it is - the MLS has been a great platform for them to prove themselves. I'm not personally super high on Dax, but Kitchen and Pontius are serious play-makers. They don't necessarily need to be thrust into the starting lineup, but in terms of consideration? Absolutely.
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MSantoine
Post #10
Tuesday December 18, 2012 6:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from thisguy2

I have noticed something, everyone here seems to think all players from MLS are the key answer, when really it's not! What makes you guys think players like Perry Kitchen, Dax, and Pontius, and so forth would do good at international level? I'm tired of hearing these guys being out keys WHEN they haven't been called up or even played one minute of competitive soccer..until thy make it in the top four leagues in the world, by than they would make it


How many people on Mexico's national team don't play in a "top 4 league"
Also the reason why people want to see Kitchen, Dax, etc is we know EJ, Wondo, Beckerman, Torres aren't the answer. Mine as well keep trying out new people until you find the next starter. It worked with Cameroon. Seemed to be working with Shea and Agudelo until injuries.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #11
Tuesday December 18, 2012 6:23pm

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EJ will be in Klinsmann's squad. he has rejuvenated his career, and was a big reason why the Nats are in the Hexagonal. 2 goals which the second goal was the game winner against Anitgua and the game winning assist againat Guatemala has insured his inclusion in the first team with Klinsmann going forward.

46and2
Post #12
Tuesday December 18, 2012 8:28pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 49
I agree that Jones hasn't really been great for the US. He's a solid player overall and it's difficult to say we are brimming with better options, but his passing is erratic, he offers little going forward, he fouls immediately every time he gives the ball away, etc. Playing him at the #6 has always seemed logical to me if you could get him to go along with it and play with the required discipline. Playing him as an 8 yields mediocre results.

Bradley offers far more in support of the attack, so I wouldn't want to move him back.

Williams has been up and down. I'm not sold on him, but haven't given up on him either.

Edu - For me, he's done with the national team unless he transitions to CB. He may be done anyway if he can't get on a club where he's playing.

There are a lot of young guys coming up and Holden hopefully returning. Kitchen and Okugo have some promise, but Dax might be the only one that's really ready at the moment. He's not a world beater either, but he's smart, solid and experienced and is a little more mobile than the likes of Beckerman.

Hopefully the move to KC starts getting Benny back in the picture after a while as well.

dolcem
Post #13
Thursday December 20, 2012 6:37am

Joined Nov 2012
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Guys:

Even an out of form Williams or Jones or even Edu is better than Dax. Edu is worse than Jones or Williams and let's not forget that he was basically too good for the MLS. Dax has not gotten any European attention and for a reason. He's a decent MLS player but not international quality. Even Beckerman would be better than him, and at least Kyle has experience with us. No need to worry about DM and Dax absolutely will not play for us in an important match.
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blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #14
Thursday December 20, 2012 8:36am

Joined Sep 2012
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Where did the "and jones" come from on the forum title ? I remember only seeing daniel "ill pass the ball to the russian player" Williams

Jermaine jones = beast mode

* Please dont ever bring up Dax Mcarty or Chance myers playing for the NATS !!!!!

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Post #15
Thursday December 20, 2012 3:46pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 320
Original post from blaise213

Where did the "and jones" come from on the forum title ? I remember only seeing daniel "ill pass the ball to the russian player" Williams

Jermaine jones = beast mode

* Please dont ever bring up Dax Mcarty or Chance myers playing for the NATS !!!!!


Don't know why people are high on Chance Myers either - good player, but not up to par (or near it for that matter) with those currently at his position. Pretty much the same for Dax.
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