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Post #31
Wednesday December 19, 2012 4:49pm

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Original post from Bshredder

I think 2 of those three could start, but there is another option no one is talking about. And it doesn't involve hoping to win the allegiance of a dual national (which is getting sad after awhile)

Move Zusi to the middle as a box to box. That's actually his strongest position.


Bradley looks to be the box to box under Klinsmann. I think Klinsmann likes Zusi's ability to cross the ball; hence why he is played more on the wing.

All I know is there are better options than Torres.

CBoyd3142
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Post #32
Wednesday December 19, 2012 4:55pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Torres has so much against him - Williams is a step or two above him. Bradley & Jones, even being such similar players, will win out due to experience and athleticism. Holden is making a potential return. Klinsi still calls Beckerman & Edu (safe, but underwhelming players). COB is emerging. The list goes on.

Maybe his move away from Pachuca could help, but I doubt it. He has the technical tools but not the frame to effectively employ them. Still, wouldn't mind seeing him at CAM in some cupcake games - he has some sick skills on free kicks (see World Cup 2010 - he came very close to a nice goal).

I know Delaney is a long shot but does anyone know if the US has even reached out to him? I've heard some say he's in a similar position to Johansson and others say he's solid to Denmark - just curious as he now starts for Copenhagen regularly and is making some noise.
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bjelks
Post #33
Wednesday December 19, 2012 4:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I dont know what anybody sees in Zusi. I play against better players in the park on Sundays. He's average in every aspect of the game and will be lost against top level competition. He shouldnt be on the roster as a CM or wing.

And give Torres a rest. He's too weak, too timid, and simply doesnt make a difference for us.

Shea has proved that he at least has the ability to get behind defenders and get dangerous balls in the box.

Adu has proved countless times that he is the most talented player in our pool. It's not even up for debate. If he's in form, you give him the keys.

If Holden gets fit, he makes our midfield formidable with any in the world.
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Bshredder
Post #34
Wednesday December 19, 2012 5:02pm

Joined Aug 2011
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Original post from CBoyd3142
I know Delaney is a long shot but does anyone know if the US has even reached out to him? I've heard some say he's in a similar position to Johansson and others say he's solid to Denmark - just curious as he now starts for Copenhagen regularly and is making some noise.


YA did a story on him over the summer. He turned the US down. His ties to the US are minimal. He has never stepped foot on US soil.

Move on.

Bshredder
Post #35
Wednesday December 19, 2012 5:05pm

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Original post from bjelks

I dont know what anybody sees in Zusi. I play against better players in the park on Sundays. He's average in every aspect of the game and will be lost against top level competition. He shouldnt be on the roster as a CM or wing.


I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with this statement.

Original post from bjelks

Adu has proved countless times that he is the most talented player in our pool. It's not even up for debate. If he's in form, you give him the keys.


And again with this statement

maybe there is more

Original post from bjelks

If Holden gets fit, he makes our midfield formidable with any in the world.


And there's the trifecta. Three statements of nonsense.

CBoyd3142
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Post #36
Wednesday December 19, 2012 6:12pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Thanks for the clarity Bshred - have we caught you at a bad time? You seem a bit disgruntled...

Anyone think Parkhurst's move to Augsburg gives him a spot on this roster? I'm convinced, especially if Chievo were also after his signature - he's done really well as of late. That being said, I'm also a big fan of Lichaj. Still, with Dolo, Fabian & Timmy high up there, it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
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bjelks
Post #37
Wednesday December 19, 2012 7:36pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Zusi has done nothing impressive against top quality international competition. He's 27 and he plays in the MLS. You dont think there's a reason for this?

Please do yourself a favor and google Freddy Adu agaist Brazil, Mexico, and Spain as well as all his international honors. Go further and google the highlight tape of him dribbling and passing circles around MLS compeition and his teammates not finishing any of these routine scoring opportunities. I just want anyone to tell me who in our pool is better than Adu and why.

Holden was voted best 11 in the EPL before his injury. Does anybody else that calls himself a football fan know any of this?
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MSantoine
Post #38
Wednesday December 19, 2012 8:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from bjelks

He's 27 and he plays in the MLS. You dont think there's a reason for this?


You mean like Donovan? Maybe some people dont want to move halfway across the globe.

tylercocinas
Post #39
Thursday December 20, 2012 5:26am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 774
Original post from bjelks

Zusi has done nothing impressive against top quality international competition. He's 27 and he plays in the MLS. You dont think there's a reason for this?

Please do yourself a favor and google Freddy Adu agaist Brazil, Mexico, and Spain as well as all his international honors. Go further and google the highlight tape of him dribbling and passing circles around MLS compeition and his teammates not finishing any of these routine scoring opportunities. I just want anyone to tell me who in our pool is better than Adu and why.

Holden was voted best 11 in the EPL before his injury. Does anybody else that calls himself a football fan know any of this?


I love Freddy as well man but he doesn't always bust it on both ends of the pitch like Zeus does and you'll see that if you take a detailed look at the highlights you're advocating that we watch. He might be on a bad team but the greatest players step up to the plate even surrounded by less talented players and make it easier for them. Case and point LeBron, with the Cavs. Freddy has more to give and I am demanding that he push himself and his game to another level rather than being complacent and performing at his current output.

CBoyd3142
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Post #40
Thursday December 20, 2012 3:44pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 320
Original post from tylercocinas

I love Freddy as well man but he doesn't always bust it on both ends of the pitch like Zeus does and you'll see that if you take a detailed look at the highlights you're advocating that we watch. He might be on a bad team but the greatest players step up to the plate even surrounded by less talented players and make it easier for them. Case and point LeBron, with the Cavs. Freddy has more to give and I am demanding that he push himself and his game to another level rather than being complacent and performing at his current output.


Agreed. We all love the highlight from the Brazil game he played years ago - his play was incredible. With the slight brightness he had at the Gold Cup, that's been pretty much it since. If Galatasaray works out for him and he shuts up and plays his butt off, there will be little to no opposition to the argument that he belongs. Until then, he has work to do.

I also agree Zusi has the drive that Adu doesn't. Let's hope he keeps that up.
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rambo
Chi town
Post #41
Thursday December 20, 2012 4:28pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 210
@CBoyd- I think Brian just wants everyone to know that there is no chance Delaney is going to play for the USA.

CBoyd3142
Probably far from where you are...
Post #42
Thursday December 20, 2012 4:38pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 320
Original post from rambo

@CBoyd- I think Brian just wants everyone to know that there is no chance Delaney is going to play for the USA.


I get that - just messing with him. So many potential dual nationals that I lost track of him. Maybe I'll irritate Bshred by asking when Sakai will accept his call up. Or that McBride is coming out of retirement and is a real contender to knock Jozy out of the starting lineup.
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richieJkulesaNY
Post #43
Thursday December 20, 2012 5:35pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 951
You guys cant compare Adu to anybody else on the national team. His skillset is rather unique. We are one of the most predictable teams in the world with very little creativity. I watch these games and its exactly how I was coached and how we played in high school and junior college. Play the ball wide and cross it. We cant play the ball in tight spaces. We barely possess the ball in the final third. I'm sure you guys realize what kind of space can be opened up from players that can handle these situations. This is what Adu does. He is very good at creating space that guys like Zusi, Demps, and Lando can take advantage of. For some reason he just hasnt put it all together on a consistent basis at the club level. But he has been very consistent with the national team, at all levels.

I think we tend to look at the national team as an "all-star" team. I hate hearing that Player A should be "rewarded" with a call-up because he's scored a few goals over the past few months. This team is missing #10 type players. Adu can play that role. I dont care if he isnt performing at the club level at said moment, we need that role to succeed. We keep bitching about his club play, but even with that sorry excuse for a soccer team, he was able create many chances in the few games he played. How could he not succeed with guys like Dempsey, Zusi, Bradley, and Jozy around him. Look, he's not the end-all, be-all. But he is an asset that we seem to ignore.

I know our centerbacks and forwards are an issue, but those areas can become strengths again when we address our midfield issues. More possession means more scoring chances for us and less for them. It seems pretty simple to me.

MSantoine
Post #44
Thursday December 20, 2012 6:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,205
Im so sick of the Adu talk and here's why:

1) "He looks good in highlight packages" - Really? Thats what we're going by. They are called highlight packages. Everyone has good youtube clips.

2) He's creative offensively- If thats the only criteria why not throw Luis Gil in there. He's creative.

Maybe the reason he's not in the plans is he's currently competing for athe role played by Bradley. Its pretty obvious that Bradley is better than Adu. Maybe if Adu learned to play defense he'd get a shot. Our team doesn't have the lockdown mids/defene to allow one player to just roam and get creative like Spain, germany, even Ukraine. We need to have 3 mids that can mark up or we'll end up in 3-2, 4-2 games where we clearly don't have the firepower to keep up with.

It would be awesome to allow someone to just play the roaming 10 like Messi but until the rest of our team increases in quality (ie 2018 if Brooks/Hines/Cunningham/Packwood become who we think they can become) then its pointless to include Adu as he'll do more harm then good

rambo
Chi town
Post #45
Thursday December 20, 2012 6:01pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 210
@cboyd- Don't forget Johnassen and countless others

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