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Post #76
Wednesday January 13, 2016 12:52pm

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I also immediately thought MLS team for STL once they announced the Rams were moving to LA. STL has always been a good draw for USMNT games. A brand new 40k seat stadium that can expand to 65k for international games will be awesome. I hope they work with MLS to make it happen

skangles
DC
Post #77
Wednesday December 7, 2016 6:08pm

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The Tampa Bay Rowdies have unveiled their stadium renderings in support of their bid to join MLS.

I understand that Al Lang Stadium was built for baseball. I also understand that the Timbers have successfully converted a baseball stadium into a nice home field, albeit with seating at weird angles.

That said, these renderings look horrendous. Just level Al Lang stadium and build a new stadium on the lot.



Rey Regicide
Post #78
Wednesday December 7, 2016 6:30pm

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But that takes time no? And more money, demo work.. this is a quicker fix? When are the Rowdies looking to get in?

Know Nothing
Post #79
Wednesday December 7, 2016 7:20pm

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Original post from skangles

The Tampa Bay Rowdies have unveiled their stadium renderings in support of their bid to join MLS.

I understand that Al Lang Stadium was built for baseball. I also understand that the Timbers have successfully converted a baseball stadium into a nice home field, albeit with seating at weird angles.

That said, these renderings look horrendous. Just level Al Lang stadium and build a new stadium on the lot.



I wonder if the the league will give them a bigger budget for game balls

Rey Regicide
Post #80
Wednesday December 7, 2016 7:25pm

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I wonder if the crowds will get a free hot dog every time Jeremy Hall clears one into the bay. That would get me going to the stadium.

db707
Post #81
Wednesday December 7, 2016 7:43pm

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I've seen a game at that stadium, and I agree with you, Skangles.

skangles
DC
Post #82
Wednesday December 7, 2016 8:26pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

But that takes time no? And more money, demo work.. this is a quicker fix? When are the Rowdies looking to get in?


Absolutely but Tampa Bay isn't the only team in the running and if the league looks at bids from other teams and still decides to go with this appalling stadium design I will be disappointed as a neutral fan.

I have nothing against Tampa Bay and if they were to build a proper stadium then I'd welcome them into the league but what they're proposing is a joke.

From Foxsports regarding the bids of Tampa Bay and North Carolina (formerly the Railhawks): "These two cities join a list for teams 25 through 28 that already includes St. Louis, Sacramento, San Antonio, Detroit and Cincinnati, while Indianapolis, San Diego, Austin, Las Vegas and Phoenix have all been bandied about as markets that could potentially launch expansion bids."

Garber previously indicated that the next round of expansion is likely to happen in 2020.

dolcem
Post #83
Wednesday December 7, 2016 10:50pm

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How many teams can we add before we start diluting the talent of the American player pool? Sure, we can always bring in quality foreigners, but there are a finite number of top tier American players. Even the best footballing countries don't have more than 20 teams in their soccer leagues. People are deluding themselves if they think continued expansion won't have an impact of the quality of play.
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Rey Regicide
Post #84
Wednesday December 7, 2016 11:23pm

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you know what i think is pretty cool, Pulisic went about 50 minutes in champions league and we don't have a post on it =D

#nextlevel

skangles
DC
Post #85
Wednesday December 7, 2016 11:32pm

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Original post from dolcem

How many teams can we add before we start diluting the talent of the American player pool? Sure, we can always bring in quality foreigners, but there are a finite number of top tier American players. Even the best footballing countries don't have more than 20 teams in their soccer leagues. People are deluding themselves if they think continued expansion won't have an impact of the quality of play.


We're probably past the optimum number of teams from a competitive standpoint as 16-18 feels about right to me. I understand what MLS is trying to achieve financially and in a country this huge it makes sense to capture a wider fan base.

That said, I fully agree with you that expansion will be detrimental to the quality of the league which is why Garber's comments about MLS being one of the world's best leagues by 2022 are counterintuitive.

Know Nothing
Post #86
Wednesday December 7, 2016 11:36pm

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Original post from dolcem

How many teams can we add before we start diluting the talent of the American player pool? Sure, we can always bring in quality foreigners, but there are a finite number of top tier American players. Even the best footballing countries don't have more than 20 teams in their soccer leagues. People are deluding themselves if they think continued expansion won't have an impact of the quality of play.


You could make a credible argument that we are already there, but I don't have the time or energy to bore you guys.

The main function of the league should be to try and develop talented young players. Unfortunately, those that are most promising are heading overseas for better money and the next tier down are hedging their bets and going to college. So MLS is in competition not only with the rest of the world, but also with the NCAA.

It would be easy for MLS to cut out the NCAA by offering something akin to the GI Bill to entice the promising high school player a chance to train year round.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #87
Thursday December 8, 2016 3:38am

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There are all kinds of things that MLS could do if they gave a shit about expanding responsibly. The ideas are not hard to come by.

I will argue from two premises:
1: normal pro/rel is too hard due to the size of the country (travel and time zones), and stadium building. Therefore, do not sacrifice other things of importance in order to have pro/rel.
2: a neutral-site, single game playoff final is not reasonable for MLS in the next 10 years, and maybe should never be.

Here's your solution to no pro/rel.
(I think this solution will also broaden the US Soccer pyramid a bit, although I think we still need a way for youth clubs to get compensation)
(current number of max games in an MLS season =39 or 40)

The Season
• Some max number of foreign players rule that doesn't allow the big fish clubs to eschew US/Canadian players.

2 leagues of 16 in a straight table race, home and home, arranged by time zone and geography = 30 games per team. So probably East league and West league, playing separately from each other. David plays Goliath all the time in this system.

The Post-season - From here I can see at least three ways to go.
(post-season for the minnows against each other could happen and be incentivized in various ways if necessary)

Way 1 (brackets): most familiar to US fans
top 8 from each side play home-and-home elimination, mixing east with west in a 1Ev8W, 2Ev7W etc. etc. 6 games max brings us to 2 teams left. In this format, those last two would have to play home-and-home finals.
Max games in a season = 38

Way 2 (baby CL): top 8 from each side play in 4 groups of 4, like baby champions league, double-round-robin. Pot draw, mixing East and West.
30 + 6 games in this format bring us to 8 teams left
(group winner and group runner up)
Continue with home-and-home eliminations, all the way down.
Max games in a season = 42

Way 3 (single cup final): A single final requires re-ranking teams that have not played each other, so a super-league is formed.
Top 3 teams from East and West = 6 teams left total.
Super league table race is 10 games per team.
Last 2 play a cup final at #1's house.
Max games in a season = 41

Obviously there are a mess of permutations here, like if East and West only have 14 teams each, or other ways to combine home-and-home with table race with pool play, etc. But overall, I'd say that this is a virtual kind of pro/rel for a country too big to have one. There will be Cinderella stories in this format, but it will definitely not be too random. The league has to decide what is priority one. I would saying that having every team visit every market every season is not one of the top priorities, and so can be dismissed.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #88
Thursday December 8, 2016 4:07am

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What if we had our state organizations take more individual control over our domestic leagues. USSF could function more as a CONCACAF or UEFA. Pro/Rel done at the state level. The following season you basically have a champions league from the winners of the top flight of each state. States with fewer populations can be grouped together and larger states like Texas and California can have two regions much like the do for ODP. This would reduce travel and many expenses for clubs.

admsghs27
Post #89
Thursday December 8, 2016 4:41am

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Original post from Rey Regicide

you know what i think is pretty cool, Pulisic went about 50 minutes in champions league and we don't have a post on it =D

#nextlevel

Yeah as cool as that was it was probably one of his worst games with Dortmund..

dolcem
Post #90
Thursday December 8, 2016 11:05am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

It would be easy for MLS to cut out the NCAA by offering something akin to the GI Bill to entice the promising high school player a chance to train year round.


It's actually a fantastic idea, but with the exorbitant costs of education in the US, I don't think it's realistic. Maybe they could afford it if they gave scholarships to kids going to local state schools (or for exceptionally smart kids like Morris that want to go to an elite school), but even then, I highly doubt it.

The sad part is that the NFL has so much money it doesn't know what to do with it and it has ex-players unable to pay for treatment for very serious medical issues because a few decades ago, the salaries were abysmally low. None of their untaxed hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue (not to mention the fact that the taxpayers foot the bill for the stadiums and don't get anything in return) goes to these guys. It's disgusting.

I think before anything else, the MLS needs to mandate that any team with an SSS plays on grass. The Portland Timbers are a fucking joke and it makes it a lot harder to take us seriously. But that's a topic for a different thread.
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