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MSantoine
Post #1
Wednesday December 12, 2012 3:51pm

Joined Nov 2012
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With the MLS offseason underway and waves of homegrown signings upon us it got me thinking of the best way to fix MLS and its biggest problem, player development. The best way would be to mimic Germany, Spain, Portugal, and others that have top teams putting U23 teams into lower divisions. There are currently 19 MLS teams, 8 NASL teams, and 12 USL teams. Let's say after 2013 the top 4 teams from USL get promoted into NASL and we add 4 U23 regional MLS teams (could play in a centralized area or a spot that was in consideration for possible expansion/relocation). In 2014 MLS would have 19 teams (or 20 if 2nd NY team). NASL and USL would each have 12. Previously NASL and USL have been against allowing MLS development teams in there league as they didn't have a benefit. However, if following the 2014 season they finally installed some kind of promotion/relegation I'm sure they would change there tune. Even if it was just a top 4 promotional playoff for 1 spot, or even for a 1v1 spot against last place MLS team. At least now these NASL and USL leagues could mean something. They could be true developmental leagues for the MLS. U23 players would now get 20-30 games a season, and they could make the rule like they have in Europe where developmental teams cant be promoted past NASL. Yes I know that no MLS owner would go for this as they are 100% against relegation but just think how great this would be for MLS in general and US Soccer as a whole. As it got bigger they could eventually expand the NASL and USL to include more U23 teams and keep growing in a forward direction.

camparkinson
Post #2
Wednesday December 12, 2012 5:07pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 169
I like it, I see no reason why US can't have it's tiers of pro soccer related in some way. I get why owners don't want relegation and also MLS really tries to sell its parity in relation to other leagues with its salary cap but there's gotta be a way to get these younger players some time.

Reserve league could also be improved but with the MLS investing so much into GA and homegrown contracts you've gotta think they won't let the current youth development system ride.

Bshredder
Post #3
Wednesday December 12, 2012 6:00pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Promotion/relegation isn't happening anytime soon.

How would you like to be an MLS owner and you pay hundreds of millions in $$ for a new stadium and expansion fee, then get relegated?

That being said, youth development is another story. It can be improved but it'll be interesting to see how much money. The German overhaul cost an astronomical amount. More games are needed at the reserve level and maybe have a formal league.

But it all comes down to coaching.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #4
Wednesday December 12, 2012 6:17pm

Joined Jul 2012
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I would go as far as saying that Promotion/Relegation will never happen. It's not apart of American sporting culture and future owners/business men will not invest into an MLS team if they have a cloud of relegation hanging over them. Pro/Rel makes no sense for business people and sports is business. What will happen is MLS will take the Baseball method of farm systems. Actually I think it is more likely to see European leagues start to scrap Promotion/Relegation in the future. It's an unattainable business model; no matter how good intention that system is.

MSantoine
Post #5
Wednesday December 12, 2012 6:32pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I agree that no owner would vote for promotion/relegation. Its a pipe dream. Last year or so when all the americans were buying EPL teams there were rumors of scrapping it. I just think it better promotes competition and development. They could come up with creative ways to balance the cash and have parachute payments for those relegated as they do in EPL. And yes it may hurt some owners but it also gives investment opportunities. You buy the Carolina Redhawks as a NASL team and inject cash, make them better, and now you have an MLS team. That good return on investment. Its doable. But I understand the owners will never ever go for it. Just think it would be the best way to grow the sport in this country

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #6
Wednesday December 12, 2012 6:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

I agree that no owner would vote for promotion/relegation. Its a pipe dream. Last year or so when all the americans were buying EPL teams there were rumors of scrapping it. I just think it better promotes competition and development. They could come up with creative ways to balance the cash and have parachute payments for those relegated as they do in EPL. And yes it may hurt some owners but it also gives investment opportunities. You buy the Carolina Redhawks as a NASL team and inject cash, make them better, and now you have an MLS team. That good return on investment. Its doable. But I understand the owners will never ever go for it. Just think it would be the best way to grow the sport in this country


Or you buy a NASL team inject cash get promoted than get relegated than go into administration. The best way to to grow the sport in the U.S. is by expansion over the next 20 years. Then Expand NASL, but turn the lower tiers into farm systems for MLS.

MSantoine
Post #7
Thursday December 20, 2012 7:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
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First Mobi Fehr. Now 'Boss joining MLS. If Mixx or O'Brein comes too then that is some serious additions by the MLS and a great statement to Europe about who will grow these young talents. 5 years ago such highly regarded youngsters wouldn't think twice about the MLS but look at them now.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #8
Thursday December 20, 2012 8:58pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 949
Original post from MSantoine

First Mobi Fehr. Now 'Boss joining MLS. If Mixx or O'Brein comes too then that is some serious additions by the MLS and a great statement to Europe about who will grow these young talents. 5 years ago such highly regarded youngsters wouldn't think twice about the MLS but look at them now.


Im curious to what you mean by "grow." Fehr I understand because he is 18, but Boss, Mix, and O'Brien wont do much growing in the MLS. (THATS NOT A SHOT AT THE MLS.) They might be able to fine tune some things, but they'll be asked to contribute immediately.

rambo
Chi town
Post #9
Friday December 21, 2012 5:30pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 210
Random Question: Just thinking about the Paul Arriola situation and just curious about this. If a kid who was in a MLS academy did not like the offer that the team gave him, what are his options? College and another league?

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #10
Friday December 21, 2012 9:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,163
Original post from rambo

Random Question: Just thinking about the Paul Arriola situation and just curious about this. If a kid who was in a MLS academy did not like the offer that the team gave him, what are his options? College and another league?


i've also wondered this myself...do they go into the draft with everyone else if they want to stay in the league? What if another domestic club wanted to purchase them before the player leaves the academy? Would that rule be the same for a foreign club? What about the reverse situation, would an MLS club academy be able to buy out players from the academies of foreign clubs?

We at FC Dallas have what I'm sure most would agree is the best overall academy system (at least in so far as the teams we're able to produce), but not many of them sign for us, and when they do we give them a year or two to produce then don't extend the contracts and let them expire. It'd be nice if we were able to cash in on some of these players, rather than spending the time and money on them and letting them go their own way.


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