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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #16
Thursday July 11, 2013 8:07am

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I want Cameron in that spot so badly. He played very, very well with Bradley. Things flowed better. I know its nigh impossible to bench Jones but I almost feel it necessary. Could be wrong. Unless we try that xmas tree. Either way, I want Cameron in the mix.

EKneezy
Post #17
Saturday July 13, 2013 12:46am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,860
If these De Rossi to Chelsea rumors are true, then Bradley's spot at Roma would be solidified. Once again they are rumors but no De Rossi means good things for the bald midfield maestro.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #18
Saturday July 13, 2013 1:50am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,351
Original post from Fraser31

I want Cameron in that spot so badly. He played very, very well with Bradley. Things flowed better. I know its nigh impossible to bench Jones but I almost feel it necessary. Could be wrong. Unless we try that xmas tree. Either way, I want Cameron in the mix.


Frasier, you must be smoking that xmas tree!

Jones is better than cameron any day of the week. Jones isnt the one getting switched to a different position in every game.

dolcem
Post #19
Saturday July 13, 2013 7:29am

Joined Nov 2012
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Bradley is great and had a great season at Roma. I do think he is overrated by the US public and especially the media. Dempsey is our most important field player because we desperately need good attacking players and there are a lot of other guys at Bradley's position.

The USNT has a really tricky situation with our player pool. We have so many good CM's yet are completely lacking at other positions (namely attacking midfielders).

On paper, our best possible front six would be:

Donovan Altidore Dempsey
Bradley Cameron Jones
Back 5

That line-up would put our best players on the field but there are too many problems with it. For one, I don't see Donovan and especially Dempsey as capable of playing as wide forwards in a 4-3-3. Both are very good at taking chances when they come to them but neither can really carry an attack on their own (especially that they're getting older now).

One option would be to tuck them inside and play with a Christmas tree or have one play as a CAM with two forwards. We already tried this earlier this year and it didn't work. There's not enough width and not enough attacking players. Would we have done better if we added in a more skilled CM, like Mix, Klejstan, or (preferably) Torres? I think so but we still would've had the same problems.

That leaves us with the 4-5-1, which is the best formation at the moment and fits the US style well. The problem is of course who to play as the two CM's. Ideally you have a ball-winning DM and a deep-lying playmaker. We have six or seven playable DM's: Bradley, Jones, Cameron, Williams, Edu, Holden, and Beckerman. We have a few guys that can play the deep-lying playmaker role: Mix, Klejstan, and (especially) Torres, but are any of them good enough to replace Jones or Bradley? When we tried Klejstan he looked like he was in over his head (unsurprisingly, the Belgian league isn't the most competitive) and Jones hated it and actually publicly said he wanted Bradley playing next to him.

I just don't see the Bradley/Jones combo as being ideal. They're both too similar: hard-working, no-nonsense box-to-box CM's. Neither is very skilled with the ball or good at longer-range passing. This leaves us with the inability to maintain possession or effectively move the ball from the defense to the forwards.

Call me crazy but this would be my ideal formation for Brazil (assuming Shea gets PT at Stoke, which I know is probably unlikely):

Altidore
Shea Dempsey Corona
Torres Bradley
Johnson Edu Cameron Cherundolo
Howard

Alternates: Jones for Bradley, Besler for Edu, Chandler for Cherundolo (if he doesn't recover from his surgery), and Guzan for Howard if Timmy doesn't improve upon last season. And of course Donovan coming off the bench to run at tired defenders and create some late game magic.
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Mojofc
Post #20
Saturday July 13, 2013 2:26pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 680
[b]Original post from dolcem[/]

Call me crazy..



You're crazy, but only because you asked for it.

Bradley is not in the slightest overrated. We are not deep at his position in terms of skill matching his quality.
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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #21
Saturday July 13, 2013 7:45pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 996
Original post from blaise213

Frasier, you must be smoking that xmas tree!

Jones is better than cameron any day of the week. Jones isnt the one getting switched to a different position in every game.


There's no denying Jones is a better player. But there definitely is some truth that our team played better with Cameron in the middle. But yes... the xmas tree smokes very well, thank you haha.

dolcem
Post #22
Sunday July 14, 2013 5:05am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from Mojofc

You're crazy, but only because you asked for it.

Bradley is not in the slightest overrated. We are not deep at his position in terms of skill matching his quality.


Bradley is a great player. One of the best we've ever had. But the US media (and a lot of the fans) makes him out to be a superhero who can never do wrong. Even when he has on off game he still gets a great rating and the journalists rant and rave about him. He puts in his shift but it's not like he carries the team the way some people think he does (and that's not his role either). With ESPN part of this is due to the fact that his uncle works for them but mostly it's because people feel he epitomizes the American player and how the sport should be played: not necessarily skilled but tough as nails and no-nonsense. Bradley makes a big deal with his facial expressions about being tough and trying hard so people think he's a warrior. Maybe he is. Moreso than some of our other players? I don't know, maybe. But I don't think he's the god people make him out to be. No one outside the US rates him as highly as we do.

And we are deeper at his position than any other. Jones can play the same role just as well, if not better. After him we have guys like Williams, Cameron, Holden, Edu, Beckerman, etc. as well as other CM's like Torres, Klejstan, Mix, etc. None of those guys are as good as Bradley but it's a lot of depth.

I'm more crazy though for suggesting Shea should be a starter in Brazil. I've always been back and forth on him but that was just wishful thinking. I've given up on him. He obviously isn't good enough and will be back in the MLS soon. I like Donovan coming off the bench but we don't have any other attacking midfielders so I guess he'll have to start in 2014.
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tylercocinas
Post #23
Sunday July 14, 2013 1:19pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 760
Original post from dolcem
I'm more crazy though for suggesting Shea should be a starter in Brazil. I've always been back and forth on him but that was just wishful thinking. I've given up on him. He obviously isn't good enough and will be back in the MLS soon. I like Donovan coming off the bench but we don't have any other attacking midfielders so I guess he'll have to start in 2014.


This is the first time that he has been 100% health-wise in months. Very possible that your assessment might end up being correct but why not let the man get his match rhythm back and experience a full campaign in the EPL before arriving at that conclusion?

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