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Post #46
Sunday August 4, 2013 8:01pm

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I think a move to Watford would be a good one. Watford did well last championship finishing 3rd and should be one of the top 5-6 teams again this season, which means they have a legit shot for promotion. I'd like to see Boyd in England chasing the EPL dream which is attainable. Who knows next season he could be playing week in week out in the EPL.

I'd say Watford(and the English 2nd div) >>>> Rapid(Austrian championship.) No offense to the Austrian league, but I'd say the English 2nd division is a much higher caliber.

admsghs27
Post #47
Sunday August 4, 2013 8:20pm

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Plus their in europa league and he will have tougher competion.. And i stand by it rapid is a much better team than watford..

Nick4235
Boston, Mass
Post #48
Sunday August 4, 2013 9:28pm

Joined Apr 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

Plus their in europa league and he will have tougher competion.. And i stand by it rapid is a much better team than watford..

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Based on Europa League Group stages last year Rapid didnt exactly have a good group and still bombed out. Watford are a very solid Championship team and the Championship is probably on par with MLS so if he goes and does well I think it's a good move. Especially is the get promoted like they might.

rjw77
Post #49
Sunday August 4, 2013 10:58pm

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But with the Europa League the competition isn't really decent until the group stages and even then its not the best. Right now Rapid is playing Asteras from Greece. And they were horrible last year, not getting a single point in the group.

I still don't think Watford would be the best place for him. If he has a really good year I'd like him at a low-level bundesliga team or just a promotion candidate in the 2nd division. He still needs development.

Bshredder
Post #50
Sunday August 4, 2013 11:09pm

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Watford would be a significant step up from Rapid

admsghs27
Post #51
Sunday August 4, 2013 11:42pm

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Original post from Nick4235

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Based on Europa League Group stages last year Rapid didnt exactly have a good group and still bombed out. Watford are a very solid Championship team and the Championship is probably on par with MLS so if he goes and does well I think it's a good move. Especially is the get promoted like they might.


I agree with the league being better than the Austrian league just saying rapid is a better team than Watford, if only they could play each other in a competition.. Also I think Boyd is good enough to play in the epl.. He is a beast I think he would be a top 15 scorer in the epl.. I also have him over Aron currently, also I wish he would of been in the gold cup, he would of gotten the scorers title..

Know Nothing
Post #52
Monday August 5, 2013 6:36pm

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I am not convinced Rapid Wien is better than Watford, but it is hard to prove.

It looks like Watford may be selling their top scorer Troy Deeney to a PL club so this rumor may get some more traction closer the end of the transfer window.

oldkeeper
NY, NY
Post #53
Monday August 5, 2013 6:45pm

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Original post from Bshredder

Watford would be a significant step up from Rapid


Hard to see how Watford and the Championship wouldn't be a step up from the Austrian League. With 3 teams moving up and down every year, there's lots of exposure to the PL's best teams. Plus, there's the FA Cup, the Carling Cup, and other competitions. Does depend on the team though. Watford competes for one of those promotion places regularly, so that'd be a good destination. A perennially CL bottom dweller like Brighton or Bournemouth wouldn't be a good move. Austria neither has the player depth nor the finances to match the Championship. Was a good place for Boyd to get some regular playing time and build his confidence. Now it's time for a move like Holland or England to get his development going.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #54
Monday August 5, 2013 6:57pm

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Original post from oldkeeper

Hard to see how Watford and the Championship wouldn't be a step up from the Austrian League. With 3 teams moving up and down every year, there's lots of exposure to the PL's best teams. Plus, there's the FA Cup, the Carling Cup, and other competitions. Does depend on the team though. Watford competes for one of those promotion places regularly, so that'd be a good destination. A perennially CL bottom dweller like Brighton or Bournemouth wouldn't be a good move. Austria neither has the player depth nor the finances to match the Championship. Was a good place for Boyd to get some regular playing time and build his confidence. Now it's time for a move like Holland or England to get his development going.


Tough call IMO, while all of these points are valid, you can't deny the benefit that playing for a small league powerhouse brings. Champions/Europa League competition almost a foregone conclusion every season? Yes please! Boyd will get a lot more international exposure there than at Watford, and would be much more likely to be courted by a bigger team.

I think it would definitely be best for him to stay at Rapid until at least January, unless a loan move with an option to buy is on the table.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #55
Monday August 5, 2013 7:48pm

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Original post from recycledhumans

Tough call IMO, while all of these points are valid, you can't deny the benefit that playing for a small league powerhouse brings. Champions/Europa League competition almost a foregone conclusion every season? Yes please! Boyd will get a lot more international exposure there than at Watford, and would be much more likely to be courted by a bigger team.

I think it would definitely be best for him to stay at Rapid until at least January, unless a loan move with an option to buy is on the table.


Like BShredder mentioned, some of you put too much stock into Europa League competition. Its a handful of games and not necessarily against better competition.

As far as exposure goes, he'll get plenty of it in the Championship. For one, he'll be closer to English scouts and can be evaluated over a larger time frame.

Not sure how anybody can think that Watford wouldnt be a step up from Rapid Vienna.

Know Nothing
Post #56
Monday August 5, 2013 8:07pm

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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

As far as exposure goes, he'll get plenty of it in the Championship. For one, he'll be closer to English scouts and can be evaluated over a larger time frame.

Not sure how anybody can think that Watford wouldnt be a step up from Rapid Vienna.


Out of curiosity, why are English scouts so important? Surely his talents would play well in another league like maybe the French or Dutch league.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #57
Monday August 5, 2013 8:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
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@richie

That's kinda my point though...high international visibility against less than top tier competition will provide a better showcase for a potential move to a better team than a move to Watford would. Best case scenario with a move to a Championship side is gaining promotion with 20+ goals on the season for Boyd. More likely is that he'll ride the bench for the most part of his first season and will take a backseat to a bigger signing if they do gain promotion.

Stay at Rapid and keep your head down, working hard. His style of play (for me) would lend itself well to Serie A, and I could see a middle-of-the-road team making a move for him. Failing that, I'm sure there are more than a few MLS teams that would love to get their hands on him, even for a short time.

MSantoine
Post #58
Monday August 5, 2013 8:11pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Out of curiosity, why are English scouts so important? Surely his talents would play well in another league like maybe the French or Dutch league.


The same reason its easier to make it in US soccer if you grow up in Texas. Scouts spend most of their time and money in the traditional hotbeds. Its cheaper for EPL teams to scout young Championship players then send them to Austria to watch someone play. Also if local newspapers keep saying how great someone is then they'll get noticed. Im pretty sure English newspapers dont put out stats for Austrian League or Scandanavian leagues

Know Nothing
Post #59
Monday August 5, 2013 8:19pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from MSantoine

The same reason its easier to make it in US soccer if you grow up in Texas. Scouts spend most of their time and money in the traditional hotbeds. Its cheaper for EPL teams to scout young Championship players then send them to Austria to watch someone play. Also if local newspapers keep saying how great someone is then they'll get noticed. Im pretty sure English newspapers dont put out stats for Austrian League or Scandanavian leagues


Fair enough, but it seems most of us assume his future is in England. Most scouting networks are very advanced and will know of Boyd. In fact, it appears Lazio may be interested too so playing in the Europa League has not been a bad thing for him.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/08...

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #60
Monday August 5, 2013 9:49pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

Fair enough, but it seems most of us assume his future is in England. Most scouting networks are very advanced and will know of Boyd. In fact, it appears Lazio may be interested too so playing in the Europa League has not been a bad thing for him.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/08...


Man, crazy coincidence...I was thinking of Serie A teams that would benefit (as I mentioned the league in my last post on this thread), Lazio was the first to come to mind.

Ideally, I'd love to see him at Juve (Forza!) to learn from LLorente and Tevez...Llorente plays a very similar quasi-strength/quasi-sneaky striker, and Tevez would be good for learning close control.

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