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nick
Boston, MA
Post #1
Sunday December 2, 2012 10:02pm

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So I was wondering what you guys thought about our striker pool. We have some veterans who have played well recently but also quite a few young guys who could/ should get looks. Right now my list is.

Dempsey
Donovan (this is probably a surprise but hes looked excellent playing off Robbie keane so perhaps it's worth a shot)
Altidore (didn't think he played as bad as others did against Russia)
Gomez
Johnson
Boyd (playing very well right now)
Bruin
Agudelo (I know struggled with chivas but I think he deserves more looks)
Sapong
Wooten (even tho I hear he's playing a wing)
Bunbury
McInerney

I really think that Altidore, Boyd, Gomez and Johnson can really be shuffled around in any order you want. All are good options.
I really think one main thing mls needs do better is produce forwards who can hold up the ball better. So many forwards don't learn how to hold the ball up here and when they get to Europe they struggle for playing time because its very important especially when playing as a lone man up top which the national team plays.
Those are just m opinions but what do you guys think?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #2
Sunday December 2, 2012 10:38pm

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I am not including Donovan in anything until it's quite clearly known that he isn't going to retire. If I was going to list Donovan, I would list him with the Attacking Middies not the FWDS. Also with Bobby Wood re-emerging, this would be my striker/fwd pool.

1. Deuce- More of an attacking middie, but we need his poaching abilities.
2. Altidore- No questioning his talent, but which Altidore will show up in the Hex?
3. EJ- Has pace to burn, and has become a harder worker on the field and more mature. He can score goals against CONCACAF teams. I think he has a very good chance at being the starting striker when the Hex starts.
4. Boyd- High Cieling. Talented. Needs to add a few more things to his game, but I expect to see him in the 2014 WC squad.
5. Gomez- Who I think will start to fade and drop down these rankings the next few years. Ultimately I have him missing out on the WC.
6. Agudelo- High cieling and is only 19. Will he be on the 2014 WC squad? I say no. I think Bobby Wood will be the last FWD chosen for the WC squad.
7. Wood- Very high cieling at just 20 years old. Immensely talented, and a player I could ultimately see break into the USMNT WC squad. I project him to be either #5 or #4 by 2014.
8. Bruin- Talented, but still needs to refine his game.
9. Wondo- Situational striker for the USMNT.
10. Sapong- If he could start scoring goals more consistently he would be a much more dangerous FWD.
11. Wooten- Playing more of a winger now.
12. McInerney- medium cieling, has a nose for the goal.
13. Gordon- Great situational striker
14. Bunbury- I think he needs to refine his game
15. Connor Doyle- Plays more on the wing now, but has a high cieling. And will rocket up these rankings after the 2014 WC.

So who do I ultimatley see making the 2014 WC squad for FWDS/Strikers?

Deuce, Altidore, Boyd, EJ, and Bobby Wood. This will be the most talented FWD corps the USMNT has ever had up to this point.

nick
Boston, MA
Post #3
Sunday December 2, 2012 10:58pm

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I forgot about Gordon. Also I left off Wondo even though he's a great mls striker. I just think we've seen enough of him and have guys who have more potential than he does. I also thought about Wood and left him off because I didn't know exactly what position he played.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #4
Sunday December 2, 2012 11:01pm

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Only ones I see being in the picture for 2014 would be Deuce, Altidore, EJ, Boyd, Agudelo, Wood, and Gomez......Wooten and Doyle will more than likely replace EJ and Gomez on this list afterwards. I would love to go into the Gold Cup with Boyd, Agudelo, Wood, and Wooten. I would also like to see Gomez and EJ getting worked out of the rotation by WC...at that point I just don't think they will be good enough against competition outside of Concacaf. I'm extremely big on Boyd and Agudelo....Agudelo is great at playing 1 2s and has that little creative flair needed to come up with something crazy.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #5
Sunday December 2, 2012 11:02pm

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These are my 16 through 20 FWDs/Strikers

16. Salgado
17. Wenger
18. Keisewetter
19. Villarreal
20. Bijev

MSantoine
Post #6
Monday December 3, 2012 2:59am

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I think we should be playing forwards with an eye towards helping in the WC first and foremost. You cant tell me that with Boyd/Wood/Agudelo up front instead of EJ or Gomez that we shouldnt/wouldnt still be favored over Panama, Honduras, every other concacaf team but Mexico. I would rather take my chances with those guys any day of the week. If we cant qualify without playing EJ, Hercules, Wondo, Gordon, than we dont deserve to qualify. Playing Boyd and the lot now will pay off ten fold in 2014. That being said my top guys would be as follows:
Dempsey
Jozy
Boyd
Wood
Agudelo
Wooten
Sapong
Doyle
Vilarreal
Bijev

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #7
Monday December 3, 2012 3:04am

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Original post from MSantoine

I think we should be playing forwards with an eye towards helping in the WC first and foremost. You cant tell me that with Boyd/Wood/Agudelo up front instead of EJ or Gomez that we shouldnt/wouldnt still be favored over Panama, Honduras, every other concacaf team but Mexico. I would rather take my chances with those guys any day of the week. If we cant qualify without playing EJ, Hercules, Wondo, Gordon, than we dont deserve to qualify. Playing Boyd and the lot now will pay off ten fold in 2014. That being said my top guys would be as follows:
Dempsey
Jozy
Boyd
Wood
Agudelo
Wooten
Sapong
Doyle
Vilarreal
Bijev


That is a ridiculous statement. You play Vets and non vets. You do not play all new players. EJ is very much in Klinsmanns plans. So people should get use to that. Oh and EJ is 28, so it's not like he is "old".

MSantoine
Post #8
Monday December 3, 2012 12:46pm

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Original post from 2tone

That is a ridiculous statement. You play Vets and non vets. You do not play all new players. EJ is very much in Klinsmanns plans. So people should get use to that. Oh and EJ is 28, so it's not like he is "old".


Would EJ or Gomez or Wondo ever step foot on the field for Mexico, or Germany, or England, etc?? No. If those are the countries we are trying to emulate, as Klinsi said himself, then we shouldn't be playing those players either. Those are guys for friendlies on Non-FIFA dates, or early qualifying against minnows at transfer window time. Not when your 2 years away from the World Cup.

PubCrawling199
North Carolina
Post #9
Monday December 3, 2012 2:55pm

Joined Aug 2011
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Original post from MSantoine

Would EJ or Gomez or Wondo ever step foot on the field for Mexico, or Germany, or England, etc?? No. If those are the countries we are trying to emulate, as Klinsi said himself, then we shouldn't be playing those players either. Those are guys for friendlies on Non-FIFA dates, or early qualifying against minnows at transfer window time. Not when your 2 years away from the World Cup.


To be fair, very few, if any of our players in any position would step foot on the field for any of those countries.
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MSantoine
Post #10
Monday December 3, 2012 4:05pm

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Original post from PubCrawling199

To be fair, very few, if any of our players in any position would step foot on the field for any of those countries.


I agree 100%. But if we know Wondo, Gomez, EJ wouldnt. But Boyd, Aguedelo, Wood, may have some chance to reach that level, shouldn't we be putting all our time and resources into helping them get there rather than the others?

Bshredder
Post #11
Monday December 3, 2012 4:16pm

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Original post from MSantoine

I agree 100%. But if we know Wondo, Gomez, EJ wouldnt. But Boyd, Aguedelo, Wood, may have some chance to reach that level, shouldn't we be putting all our time and resources into helping them get there rather than the others?


Wood has just come back after almost 2 years from being injured. We should cool it with the NT talk.

Bottom line is that you have to play the best players and make the younger ones earn their spot.

It's the competition and the fighting for the roster spots that makes younger players. Handing them spots based on their potential is a recipe for disaster.

MSantoine
Post #12
Monday December 3, 2012 6:11pm

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@BShredder
I again have to disagree with this statement. No one can argue that Mexico is on there way to seriously challenging for a World cup semi final spot, if not more. We should be modeling our team building after what they did. Yes our U17/U19 teams may not have achieved as much but that doesn't mean we shouldn't follow their blue print. For example:
Chicharito- One solid season in MX league as a 21 year old, became a fixture on national team. Then got a transfer to Man U.
Dos Santos- As a 20 year old on load to such teams as Ipswich town and then in 2010 at Galatasary Mexico still made him a regular and he started every world cup game with less than 30 caps to his name (at 21)
Vela- A 20 year old who's experience included Salamanca, Osasuna, and West Brom made their Gold cup team and world cup qualifying until he was suspended for partying
Moreno- After 1 year as a starter for AZ (same club as Jozy now) became a fixture for mexico. Starting in the 2010 world cup (as a 22 year old) and every game in last years gold cup.
You have to play young talent to get young talent. That's why we need to throw Boyd, Mixx, Brooks, Hines, et all in the fire to see what they can do. Also international experience can lead to bigger transfers and playing in better leagues and getting better.

Bshredder
Post #13
Monday December 3, 2012 7:37pm

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Boyd and Mix are getting minutes. Not many, but some. Which is what they deserve.

I'm fine wtih Brooks and Hines being on the radar. But let them fight it out with Besler, Gonzalez, Berry and other young guys.

Boyd too. Let him fight it out with other young forwards to try to join Altidore and Gomez. Boyd has to compete with Agudelo, Pontius, Wood and others.

Mix probably has the most competition of all in central midfield.

I'm all for giving youngsters a shot but unless they earn things, the entitlement mentality creeps in and that is an absolute cancer.