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MSantoine
Post #1
Friday November 30, 2012 1:02pm

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Now all the top european leagues have their europa coefficient which pretty much tells you which leagues are the strognest and which are weaker. Any one have any idea where other leagues would slot in. Like championship, league one, MLS, MX, bundesliga 2., A League.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #2
Friday November 30, 2012 3:16pm

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we'd have to be privvy to the algorithm used in determining the European coefficients in order to make a completely "accurate" (at least according to their standards) comparison...everything else would just be speculation.

MSantoine
Post #3
Friday November 30, 2012 4:01pm

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Its actually fairly straight forward. It takes teams in Europa and Champions leagues only. Gives them 2 points for a win, and 1 for a tie (all values halved for qualifying rounds). And various bonuses for making various levels (group stage, semis, finals, etc). Then it divides that number by total teams that participated in both leagues combined. Example. 5 Finnish teams participated. They had 8 wins and 4 draws (20 points). They all were in playoff rounds so halved (10 points). divided by 5 teams equals a 2.0 coefficient for 2012-13. Then they do the crazy FIFA yearly weighting but thats the gist of it. Unfortunately Championship League teams, MLS, MX, etc dont play against these teams outside of club world cups so its not enough of a sample size to get good information.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #4
Friday November 30, 2012 5:07pm

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We're starting to get there with the CCL, but I think the number of leagues in Europe versus the number of leagues in CONCACAF might necessitate an alteration of those calculable variables, or at least how they're weighted.

MSantoine
Post #5
Friday November 30, 2012 6:17pm

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Right. Going by the eye test I'd say MLS and MX league are similar. Probably a little better than Norway/Sweden but not as good as Israeli/Austria League. And I picture Championship and bundesliga 2. being about as good as the Scotland/Belgium level. Thats just going off some successes and failures (and salaries) of american players and college grads

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #6
Friday November 30, 2012 6:41pm

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i don't particularly feel like a comparison to the Israeli/Austrian leagues is apt, as those leagues have much more of a difference between the top and bottom teams than do our leagues. MLS is always pretty tight, while MX is a bit more open but still fairly tightly packed. Those other leagues have 2 or 3 constantly top teams while the rest of the pack gets to fight for the leftover scraps.

admsghs27
Post #7
Friday November 30, 2012 8:17pm

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I would put primera argentina, brazil league over several european leagues they are easily in the top 6 or 7 in the world.. south america owns europe in international tournaments just checkout copa intercontinental, now changed to fifa club world cup. South america always beat the champions of europe. It starts next week.. i put my $ on corinthias beating chelsea.. heck even monte rrey is gonna be a challenge.. fifa club world cup is bigger than champions league because it determines the best club in the world..

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #8
Friday November 30, 2012 9:36pm

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MLS is better than the Austrain and Isreali league. C'mon!

MSantoine
Post #9
Saturday December 1, 2012 4:09am

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Original post from 2tone

MLS is better than the Austrain and Isreali league. C'mon!


So if Boyd transferred to New England, or Chivas, or houston it would be considered a step up? If you disagree then your saying Austria is better than MLS.

Red
NY
Post #10
Saturday December 1, 2012 4:22am

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I'd say MLS>Scandinavian, Austrian and Isreali leagues.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #11
Saturday December 1, 2012 6:06am

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Boyd plays for one of the top teams in Austria which is totally different than you putting out two of the worst teams in MLS for the past few years. I would have no qualms about Boyd joining lets say a Seattle, NY, Houston, LA, KC, or DC United. The Austrian league as a whole is not very good. Why it's good for Boyd to be in Austria is because A. If he wasn't already German it is much easier for him to get a work permit for another league in Europe and B. Because he has been getting steady minutes. The Vancouver Whitecaps could potentially be one of the top teams in Austria. Seriously watch some games. And to even suggest the Israeli league is better than MLS is absolutely ridiculous. Most of the foreign players that have come to MLS compare the level to either the Championship in England or Bundesliga 2 in Germany, and both of those leagues are much better than the Austrian Bundesliga and Israeli league. Look at Hamdi Salihi. Top scorer of the Austrian Bundesliga prior to going to DC United, and now Salihi can't even get a game at DC United. You are way undervalueing the MLS and it's down right criminal.

MSantoine
Post #12
Saturday December 1, 2012 2:19pm

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I'm not under valuing the mls. I'm asking. All I have to go by is uefa rankings. Uefa has Israel as 17th best league in Europe. Austria is 19th. Norway is 26th. Denmark is 12th. I was just wondering where people would put mls, mx, championship on the list. All I have to go by is what I hear read about transfers. For example most people thought it would it be better for mixx to return to Norway or come over to mls. If Brooks or Boyd transfer in the near future what league is a step up? Some people think its better for jozy to play in championship then stay in holland. Etc

bbakerxyz
Post #13
Saturday December 1, 2012 6:06pm

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MSantoine - You're missing half the reason a lot of the Americans go over to a Sweden, Norway, etc. It's to be in the middle of the show, the cultural experience, the SOCCER cultural experience, the better opportunities to be scouted and move up to Eredivisie, EPL, etc.
It would make zero sense for Boyd to go to MLS and this has nothing to do w/ a conversation of whether Rapid Vienna is better than the Seattle Sounders.

Bshredder
Post #14
Saturday December 1, 2012 9:09pm

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It is a bit of a myth that Scandinavian Leagues are scouted more than MLS

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #15
Monday December 3, 2012 9:18pm

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While I can agree that MLS is probably more scouted than the Scandanavian leagues (which I chalk up to the level of quality of our young talent, as well as the fact that there are many more young players coming through the ranks than there would be in Scand.), it's much more difficult to buy from MLS because of the way the league is structured. While this is a hinderance to selling players abroad, it's doing wonders for our Home Grown programs, which is strengthening the league by leaps and bounds. The MLS won't truly reach it's potential until we do away with the league-centric negotiations, or at least convert it into a system much more like those of the European leagues. I don't see anything like that happening for the next 10 plus years while the league continues to grow and strengthen.

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