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venicebeachbull
Post #31
Tuesday December 18, 2012 2:15am

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Great hustle on that first strike.

A lot people consider the Hull City spell a bust, but I do remember him leading the EPL in fouls against for a striker.

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Post #32
Tuesday December 18, 2012 4:35pm

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Was Hull in the EPL or Championship when Jozy was there? I thought it was the latter...
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Post #33
Tuesday December 18, 2012 5:00pm

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Original post from CBoyd3142

Was Hull in the EPL or Championship when Jozy was there? I thought it was the latter...


They were in the EPL, and an awful team at that.

recycledhumans
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Post #34
Tuesday December 18, 2012 8:39pm

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their problem was a lack of service and strong attacking midfielders to keep the ball high up the pitch. they would give it to Jozy wide on the right and he'd either have to chase it down and try to get in a cross (not what he should be doing as a target forward) or would get the ball lobbed at him from halfway down the field into 3 of the opposing team and was expected to hold it up long enough for the players (who didn't bust a gut trying to get into the box) to come into the play, or get a foul called. He was put into a crappy situation with a crappy team (Jarvis and Hunt aside) and was pretty much doomed from the beginning.

That being said, I don't think he made the most of his opportunity there, but as stated above, wasn't really in a position to. Having such a young player play such an important role in a new league was not Mick's best idea (not that he had many).

46and2
Post #35
Tuesday December 18, 2012 8:54pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from venicebeachbull

Great hustle on that first strike.

A lot people consider the Hull City spell a bust, but I do remember him leading the EPL in fouls against for a striker.


Are these transfer fumors that you heard, or just suggestions on your part?

Either way, I'd say no to both. Jozy would sit the bench for both.

That's not to say I don't think he could do well in England. He was in a no-win situation at Hull. He was isolated up front in a team that completely bypassed their midfield all game every game. Jozy didn't help his cause with some poor finishing when he did get himself into good positions, but anyone would have struggled at Hull during that time.

He's doing really well where he is and while that may justify a step up, a step up to a top 4 club in a top 3 league is a big step. I'd be happy to see him stay where he is for now personally. Scoring bags of goals at AZ is what's keeping him in the national team mix when he's not scoring for the US.

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Post #36
Tuesday December 18, 2012 9:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
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i'm in favor of him moving to one of those top 4 clubs, and being immediately sent on loan to a club in the same league that's near the foot of the table. EX: signs for Liverpool and loaned to Reading, signs for Bayern and loaned to Kaiserslautern (sp?), signs for Juve and plays for Brescia, etc. It'll give him the chance to acclimate to the style of play and the pace of the new league, and would be a nice "in-between" stage for his development. Worst case scenario, he turns the loan spell into a permanent move and the big club loses money, best case scenario he flourishes in the league and becomes the striker we all know he has the potential to be.

venicebeachbull
Post #37
Wednesday December 19, 2012 4:13am

Joined Jun 2012
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I didn't start this thread...But I am a huge fan of Jozy though and agree he usually needs good service to be effective.

Interesting article from NY Times Goal Blog which Jozy blogs updates:

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/two-...

Also, there's a good piece on Bobby Wood from today as well.

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/yank...

dolcem
Post #38
Wednesday December 19, 2012 6:37am

Joined Nov 2012
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The Hull situation was just awful. It was the worst possible team he could have gone to and I knew that before he even played a game for them. He basically was molded into an Emile Heske hold-up striker there and it was terrible for his development.

The reason why he went there? Michael Bradley. He had offers to play at St. Etienne and Olympiacos, teams in leagues that are good at developing players (especially Ligue 1, which fits his style perfectly and has developed similar players, eg Drogba). He would have gotten good service there and would have learned a lot about how to be a goal-scoring striker. But Bradley told him that when playing at a team threatened by relegation, "you learn a lot about yourself." So he went to Hull and learned how to defend and retrieve lose balls and pass them backwards. Bradley's dad is of course one of our best coaches and his words show everything about the American soccer mentality: grit is all that matters and everything else is an afterthought. Don't get me wrong, I love our grit, but quality does matter as well, and a combination of determination and quality is what wins games.
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CBoyd3142
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Post #39
Wednesday December 19, 2012 4:50pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Anyone see his goal in their cup game yesterday? His footwork and finishing on that play were top class. I know AZ was playing a minnow that day, but definitely nice to see him beat someone one-on-one and make a clinical finish.
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