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2tone
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Post #1
Tuesday November 27, 2012 7:34am

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Donovan still seems to be leaning towards retirement which has me thinking of the USMNT line-up post Donovan against Honduras here are my three theoretical starting 11's in a 4-2-3-1. Another question is; who partners Bradley? For right now I am going with Jones because I am still not confident in Williams. While I think Bradley is a better box to box mid than DM I have Bradley as the DM and Jones as the box to box CM because Jones just can't handle the #6.

#1

-----EJ-----
Pontius-Deuce--Zeus
-Jones#8--
--Bradley#6--
Fabian-Boca-Cam-Dolo
--Howard--

#2

--Altidore--
EJ--Deuce-Zeus
--Jones#8--
--Bradley#6--
Fabian-Boca-Cam-Dolo
--Howard--

#3

----EJ-----
Zeus-Deuce-Chandler
--Jones--
--Bradley--
Fabian-Boca-Cam-Dolo
--Howard--

In my opinion I think EJ will be the starting striker against Honduras. I also think Zusi has a starting spot on one of the wings. So it's a toss up for either Pontius or Chandler on the opposite wing, and I give the nod to Pontius.

But hey I could see #2 used because EJ showed quite well on the wing. I think Gatt is just a little to raw still to be given a starting spot, and Shea will still be recovering from foot surgery.

If Donovan does call it quits I would look for Klinsmann to probably go with Formation and personnel #1.

Anyways by January we will have a good idea as to what Donovan is going to do.

Here is my 24 man roster without Donovan come February.

GK: Tally Hall, Guzan, Howard
Defense: Dolo, Chandler, Fabian, Castillo, Boca, Besler, Cameron, Gonzo
CM's: Bradley, Jones, Williams, Diskerud
Am's: Zusi, Gatt, Pontius, Corona
FWDS: Deuce, Altidore, Eddie Johnson, Boyd, Gomez

MSantoine
Post #2
Tuesday November 27, 2012 1:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
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The main problem I see with this lineup is the same problem I see in general. No one can argue that Mexico has passed us by and has become what we thought we were becoming a decade ago. Why did they do it? They played there young players early and often. Even if it meant some shaky qualification results and gold cup losses. Look at their potential world cup lineup. Pretty much all 25 and under players with a veteran defender and a veteran midfield. Thats where we need to get. Deuce and one of boc or Dolo, with Howard, should be it for our "elder statesman". And we should be seeing more of Mix, Gatt, Pontius, Chandler, Williams, etc. Sometimes you have to take a step back to take two steps forward and thats what we need to do. Here is how my ideal lineup would look

Jozy or Boyd
Mixx
Sasha Bradley Deuce
Jones
Fabian Cam Boca Chandler
Howard

Subs would be Brooks, Hines, Corona, Bedoya, Dolo, Jozy or Boyd, Clark why (keep bringing Guzan when the backup plays 1% of games)

Lilshmike
Post #3
Tuesday November 27, 2012 2:14pm

Joined Oct 2012
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i fully agree with that. this world cup is challenging because we have a lot of aging players on our squad. after this cycle, howard, duece, donovan, jones, cherundolo, gomez, bocanegra are all realistically out. 2014 should be alright, but after that the usmnt picture is going to become really clear because we will be left with a lot of young guys and they will have a lot of time to get a lot of caps before stepping up.

Coach Kev
Savannah, GA
Post #4
Tuesday November 27, 2012 4:17pm

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I think the media are taking his comments way too far. I seriously doubt he will retire.
Bayern fan and American Outlaw
bjelks
Post #5
Tuesday November 27, 2012 7:06pm

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It is an honor and privilege to play professional football for a living, making a fortune. The fact that Donovan is even thinking about retirement withdraws my support for him.

The natl team will be fine without him with the right roster and tactical decisions.

Boca is a defensive liability with his lack of pace and technique; he should not be in our future plans.

Until we have true wingers, we will not be dangerous against quality sides in a tournament.

Instead of cementing EJ, Zusi, Gomez, we should be trying to incorporate and develop our young promising upstarts.

There is absolutely no evidence of any attacking mids or withdrawn forwards in our pool being more dangerous than Adu. The fact that anyone would choose Torres, Corona, or Pontius over him demonstrates the lack of understanding we have in our country for the game of football.

And I dont think Clark no matter how well he plays in Middleearth, should ever get chosen over a starter in the EPL (Guzan). If Howard goes down, the best available backup should be available.
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Coach Kev
Savannah, GA
Post #6
Tuesday November 27, 2012 9:09pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from bjelks

It is an honor and privilege to play professional football for a living, making a fortune. The fact that Donovan is even thinking about retirement withdraws my support for him.

The natl team will be fine without him with the right roster and tactical decisions.


What a silly statement. He feels the same way, which is why is talking about retiring. He has been playing so long without major injury concerns. He would only retire if felt he couldn't perform at the high bar that he has set for himself. He doesn't want to be a liability for any team (especially the Nats) so he said he needed to take some time (instead of playing 12 months a year like he has for the last few years) and see if his body can recover enough to play at that high level.

...and no the Nats will not be fine without him (at least in the short term).
Bayern fan and American Outlaw
USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #7
Tuesday November 27, 2012 10:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from bjelks

It is an honor and privilege to play professional football for a living, making a fortune. The fact that Donovan is even thinking about retirement withdraws my support for him.
Instead of cementing EJ, Zusi, Gomez, we should be trying to incorporate and develop our young promising upstarts.

There is absolutely no evidence of any attacking mids or withdrawn forwards in our pool being more dangerous than Adu. The fact that anyone would choose Torres, Corona, or Pontius over him demonstrates the lack of understanding we have in our country for the game of football.
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start

As far as your first statement goes.....absolutely ridiculous. Donovan has given a lot to the USMNT. He has been relatively unscathed throughout his career as far as injuries go...now the past year, he has quite a few. It's good for players to get out BEFORE they have any injuries that will effect the rest of their life. If he wants to take a break to determine whether he has a couple more years to give to the Nats then we owe it to him to give him that space.

The second point I agree with...we need to start incorporating more youth players..which JK has done a decent job at. I think we will see quite a few more in January camp and then the GC squad.

The last one is laughable.....demonstrates the lack of understanding we have in our country for the game of football???? Haha...so you are telling me you know more than the coaching staff of the USMNT, Benfica, Monaco, Aris, Rizespor.....etc etc. I like Adu, very talented player, but there is something that all of these coaches see in training that we don't see on our couches/computer chairs. I would like to see him at least on the bench as he can make an impact if we need someone that can open up the game offensively.

bjelks
Post #8
Tuesday November 27, 2012 11:17pm

Joined Nov 2012
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He was actually doing fine at Benfica until they changed the coach several times. Monaco was also a troubled club. He actually shined at Aris and Rizespor and they just couldnt afford to keep him. In MLS, he's played for coaches that had no clue how to develop young players. Dont get me started on the brillaing USMNT staff starting Beckerman on several occasions, playing 3 holding mids, and a number of other ridiculous stunts. Give me a break.

You still cant name an attacking mid in the pool better than Adu. Until then, you have no argument.

As for Donovan, I appreciate all he's done for ussoccer and he's been a class act, but I cant stand sensitive athletes. If you're able to play, play at the highest level you can. If you're injured, dont play. It's not rocket science, no need to make a drama about it.

I guarantee you, if Donovan so much as takes a season off, he'll be too far behind to catch back up by the world cup.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #9
Tuesday November 27, 2012 11:18pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Excuse me, brilliant USMNT staff.
goalsense
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #10
Tuesday November 27, 2012 11:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,056
Original post from Coach Kev

What a silly statement. He feels the same way, which is why is talking about retiring. He has been playing so long without major injury concerns. He would only retire if felt he couldn't perform at the high bar that he has set for himself. He doesn't want to be a liability for any team (especially the Nats) so he said he needed to take some time (instead of playing 12 months a year like he has for the last few years) and see if his body can recover enough to play at that high level.

...and no the Nats will not be fine without him (at least in the short term).


The National team will be fine without him.

MSantoine
Post #11
Wednesday November 28, 2012 3:06am

Joined Nov 2012
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Attacking mids better than Adu:

Dempsey , Mixx , Donovan , Bradley (even though hes better not in that role he's better at that role than Adu)

Id also give Pontius and Corona shots before Adu

Coach Kev
Savannah, GA
Post #12
Wednesday November 28, 2012 3:16am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 283
Original post from 2tone

The National team will be fine without him.
I guess I should have said isn't fine without him. Of course it will be fine.
Bayern fan and American Outlaw
richieJkulesaNY
Post #13
Wednesday November 28, 2012 3:16pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 755
EVERYBODY should be concerned if Donovan calls it quits for the USMNT. The main reason is his finishing. I like Zusi, Gatt, Gyau, Shea, and the likes, but they are not proven finishers at this level yet. Can they be? Sure. But we havent seen it and thats why I'll be concerned.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #14
Wednesday November 28, 2012 5:28pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 303
[quote]Original post from bjelks

There is absolutely no evidence of any attacking mids or withdrawn forwards in our pool being more dangerous than Adu. quote]

I'm sorry. Did I miss something? what evidence is there that Adu is the most dangerous ATT MID in the pool. You are telling folks that until they can prove someone else is better then they have no argument. What proof have any of us seen that makes Adu the best? Seems sort of hypocritical.
We are going to Brazil
bjelks
Post #15
Wednesday November 28, 2012 5:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 145
1) Donovan is a great piece for the US, but he's never been on the shortlist for world player of the year. His best positon is winger and we have plenty of young talent at wing that just needs to be developed.

2) Our 2 biggest wins of the year Italia and Mexico, he didnt play against Italia and was ineffective against Mexico. Against our toughest opponent Brazil, he looked outclassed against Marcelo.

3) Donovan is "a one trick pony" for lack of better words and his pace isnt what it used to be. We qualified for the Hexagonal without much contribution from him and will move forward.

Im no professional analyst, but if you ask me, he's not even the most talented player we've had. Tab Ramos, John O'brien, and Freddy Adu have are much more technically gifted than him. We'll be fine without him just as long as we dont play Beckerman, Goodson, Parkhurst, Boca, Zusi. or Alan Gordon anymore. And lets stay away from 3 holding mids.
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