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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #91
Monday March 29, 2021 2:01am

Joined Jul 2012
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I agree. Aden Clark was an obvious choice too.

Time for US soccer to be serious about the Olympic team. Get a better coach!

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #92
Monday March 29, 2021 2:50am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,520
They were serious and they still failed.

All those guys in preseason pisses me off. No rhythm no guile to gain any extra advantages. The fact that they didn't score off any set pieces was a big minus.

They deserved to get CONCACAF'd after that performance

stoked-3
Post #93
Monday March 29, 2021 3:23am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 213
Jason Kries needs to be no where near GB, I watched him in camp when they were down here in Fl and he was just boring, no personality-took himself way to serious-his quote after the game almost pisses my off more than the game result.

No hustle, no heart sans JY and Tessman but he has a ways to go re touch etc I think he will be the next Jordan Morris a guy who is fast, has heart, will have interest overseas but may not have the technical ability although I like what he brought to this game.

Its fine to lose, it happens, the 2nd goal was a fluke but if we are honest all of the games they looked like shi@

Honesty big picture I am not too worried and think it maybe a blessing bc if they qualified its likely would have been viewed a success despite how they looked and I am sure some of these guys would get called into our Sr team. there maybe a few guys who get called in but this should be a wakeup call to US soccer.

I do think things would have been different if ULY was there but still he is one guy and we should have been so much better

whyneverme
Post #94
Monday March 29, 2021 3:50am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 101
It was extraordinary how poor the passing, first touch and movement was from this group, not to mention the complete lack of effort. This team was never going to score a lot of goals but I thought the days of not being able to connect on simple passes were behind us. Also, this excuse about being in pre-season.... I'm not buying it. These are professional players they should be able to pass and trap a ball in their sleep. Disgraceful. I can only find comfort in knowing our real U-23 team was essentially beating Northern Ireland today and now they will be playing stateside in the gold cup this summer so maybe will get to see them live!

skangles
DC
Post #95
Monday March 29, 2021 4:15am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,451
Original post from blaise213

There should be 0 players on the U23 team in consideration for the USMNT......

Stick with the new formula... Pick the US players who are in Europe and recruit dual nationals.

MLS is a joke of a league


I largely agree that I dont expect much from this group of players going forward. One or two of these guys may be a surprise in a couple of years but on the whole, yikes. That said I think there are a handful of exceptions.

Yueill was already was established in the MNT and did nothing to jeopardize his future call ups. He was the best US player in this tournament.

Vines also looked good for the MNT and was solid in this tournament. I want him in the MNT.

Despite his error on Honduras' second goal, Ochoa had a great tournament and looks like he is one for the future.

I also liked Dotson in moments and wouldn't mind giving him a look with the MNT.

That said some players were given a golden opportunity in this tournament and they didn't take it. Ferreira and Soto had both had good games with the MNT and gave us nothing in Guadalajara. And I was probably most excited about Johnny going into the Qualifiers and he was horrible.

stoked-3
Post #96
Monday March 29, 2021 4:41am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 213
Original post from skangles

I largely agree that I dont expect much from this group of players going forward. One or two of these guys may be a surprise in a couple of years but on the whole, yikes. That said I think there are a handful of exceptions.

Yueill was already was established in the MNT and did nothing to jeopardize his future call ups. He was the best US player in this tournament.

Vines also looked good for the MNT and was solid in this tournament. I want him in the MNT.

Despite his error on Honduras' second goal, Ochoa had a great tournament and looks like he is one for the future.

I also liked Dotson in moments and wouldn't mind giving him a look with the MNT.

That said some players were given a golden opportunity in this tournament and they didn't take it. Ferreira and Soto had both had good games with the MNT and gave us nothing in Guadalajara. And I was probably most excited about Johnny going into the Qualifiers and he was horrible.


I feel bad for Ochoa he did play well all tournament that error was a fluke-he does give up alot of rebounds but I think he deserves to be monitored.

I have never rated Soto-JF didnt show up in this game but played well with the SR team-Johnny not sure what happened with him and give him credit I like JY heart in this game--not sure I agree about vines he didnt look that great but against poor teams he has played well at SR team-GB doesnt seem to rate Robinson so I am sure vines will see SR time

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #97
Monday March 29, 2021 4:49am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,691
I do see potential in a couple of players and you have to remember every player develops at a different pace. Here are the few I liked:

1. Yueill: already established for the MNT. Love his fire and his passing range.
2. Ochoa: yes he had a bone headed pass that resulted in a a goal, but he has huge upside.
3. Perea: Has a good engine, and pretty good vision
4. Tessman: Definitely has a lot of potential. And he is being looked at by European teams.
5. Herrera: Good defensive instincts and can get forward very well.

Vines probably won't Crack the USMNT on a regular basis, but he will be useful at times.

Add Pomykal to this u23 team and they would have been so much better. Looking forward to seeing him and Tessman boss the midfield for FC Dallas

Saucedo hasn't developed much at all
Lewis will be a bench MLS player most of his career.
Ferreira is a luxury player and has been for Dallas the past couple of seasons. Pepi will see more minutes at striker which will push Ferreira down the bench more.

On to the summer where I foresee the USMNT making a statement of intent.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #98
Monday March 29, 2021 4:56am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,283
If we can't be Honduras, we don't deserve to go to the Olympics. Team always looked disjointed. Looked like a typical Jason Kries team. I was hoping the team could win despite him.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #99
Monday March 29, 2021 6:02am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,691
That's what happens when you don't bring enough creative players. But in all reality I don't think many foresaw Aaronson being bought, Dike going on loan, Atlanta United refusing to part with a few players, Llanez getting injured, and Barcelona not allowing De La Fuente to go.

Add to the fact Kreis didn't at least include Ebobissie. I think this team was going to struggle offensively.

Know Nothing
Post #100
Monday March 29, 2021 3:19pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,934
It would have been nice to have had someone who can read the game and make the right play quickly instead of get the ball hold it for a second or two, then make a safe pass. Guys stop making runs when they realize they won't get the ball.

I know I may be the only one advocating Kyle Scott, but he could have been the ideal replacement for Aaronson in this squad. Out of favor at Newcastle who are managed by a neanderthal, he would have been released. His game is moving the ball quickly and seeing the field. I am hoping FC Cincy can find the roster space for him so he can finally show his potential.

As far as the future of the players on this squad...I think Yuell acquitted himself well. Besides the one mistake Ochoa did well and if it was not for him we could have been eliminated before the semis.

Lilshmike
Post #101
Monday March 29, 2021 3:26pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,626
Alternate take here...

This may just be what happens as we progress as a program. That statement may sound odd... but in previous years and cycles, most (if not all) of our best U23 age eligible guys were playing in MLS. Over the last few years, we've seen a shift of our best young players moving overseas.

We could be heading down a path where, if our good talent continues to hop overseas, we'll consistently be left with sub par players for Olympic qualifying.

Regardless, we should have qualified. There is no excuse for that. Even sub par, our team was still good enough to make it through. Which is disappointing because, assuming we were able to field the best possible 23 in the Olympics, we should have had a real shot at gold which would have been absolutely massive.

Know Nothing
Post #102
Monday March 29, 2021 3:58pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,934
Original post from Lilshmike

Alternate take here...

This may just be what happens as we progress as a program. That statement may sound odd... but in previous years and cycles, most (if not all) of our best U23 age eligible guys were playing in MLS. Over the last few years, we've seen a shift of our best young players moving overseas.

We could be heading down a path where, if our good talent continues to hop overseas, we'll consistently be left with sub par players for Olympic qualifying.

Regardless, we should have qualified. There is no excuse for that. Even sub par, our team was still good enough to make it through. Which is disappointing because, assuming we were able to field the best possible 23 in the Olympics, we should have had a real shot at gold which would have been absolutely massive.


Makes sense

hamsamwich
Post #103
Tuesday March 30, 2021 1:06am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,736
We all saw this coming when the roster was announced. No creative players. I know Kreis is going to get killed and he should but let's remember there was an importance placed on playing the same way as the senior team. Whether that is Gregg or more likely Earnie Stewart's call I don't know. If we trot out Adams, McKennie and Musah the same thing can happen. Need at least one creative player in there. Having Perea, Yueill AND Dotson or Cardoso or Tessmann is overkill.... where was Alex Mendez? Atlanta and Carlos bocanegra should also share a small portion of blame.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #104
Tuesday March 30, 2021 1:47am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,691
I'm really not that concerned about missing the Olympics. Sure it would be great to see the team there, but I am just as excited to see our talent on display in Europe every week.

I don't think it's some big opportunity lost. Most footballing countries don't take the Olympics serious.

blaise213
Post #105
Tuesday March 30, 2021 5:26am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,404
2016: Olympic Qualifying Fail
2018: World Cup Qualifying Fail
2021: Olympic Qualifying Fail

Without the random 2016 Copa America, the last time we were in a big competition was the 2014 World Cup. Its 2021... Wow.....

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